The official position of the American Anthropological Association is that intelligence cannot be biologically determined by race. The American Psychological Association has said while there are differences in average IQ between racial groups, there is no conclusive evidence for environmental explanations, there is even less empirical support for a genetic interpretation, and no adequate explanation for the the racial IQ gap is presently available.

http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/race.htm

http://www.psych.illinois.edu/~broberts/Neisser%20et%20al,%201996,%20intelligence.pdf


There is no doubting there are differences in averages, however it is worth pointing out that despite the different averages, there are considerable overlaps in IQ between the different races. There are plenty of dumb asses from each ethnicity and super intelligent people too.

 

Two points: One, the official stance of just about any notable authority today on such contentious subjects is likely to be tempered by political correctness and politics. The passive smoking argument is a classic example.

Secondly, Distant Lover has always - to my knowledge - been careful to enunciate your last paragraph in a very similar fashion to how you have expressed it.

 

American Anthropological Association Statement on "Race" and Intelligence

The American Anthropological Association (AAA) is deeply concerned by recent public discussions which imply that intelligence is biologically determined by race. Repeatedly challenged by scientists, nevertheless these ideas continue to be advanced. Such discussions distract public and scholarly attention from and diminish support for the collective challenge to ensure equal opportunities for all people, regardless of ethnicity or phenotypic variation.

Earlier AAA resolutions against racism (1961, 1969, 1971, 1972) have spoken to this concern. The AAA further resolves:

WHEREAS all human beings are members of one species, Homo sapiens, and

WHEREAS, differentiating species into biologically defined "races" has proven meaningless and unscientific as a way of explaining variation (whether in intelligence or other traits),

THEREFORE, the American Anthropological Association urges the academy, our political leaders and our communities to affirm, without distraction by mistaken claims of racially determined intelligence, the common stake in assuring equal opportunity, in respecting diversity and in securing a harmonious quality of life for all people.

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Deep concern interferes with scientific objectivity.

The minor premise is more of a political and moral dogma than something that can easily be demonstrated scientifically. For example blacks are more likely to suffer high blood pressure than whites because their bodies are more likely to conserve salt. This is turn is due to the fact that they evolved in a warm climate, where the ability to conserve salt had survival value due to increased perspiration.

It is also worth mentioning that blacks are less likely to die from malaria because their bodies have had several thousand years to evolve immunity.

When Europeans began to explore the New World American Indians died from European diseases. When Europeans began to explore Africa Europeans died from African diseases. That is why Europeans were able to displace American Indians, but not Negroes.

Lactose tolerance varies considerably between the races.

These are several of the less emotionally provoking areas where it is clear that we are not all the same under the skin.

 

Perhaps you are right, but the paper on the pdf link looks to be done scientifically and separate from outside political influences. The people involved with the report are from very highly respected universities. The paper shows that there are several other significant factors to include other than just race.

 

There are still some things that university lecturers will not say. They have their faculty, their university, and their jobs to think of.

Sad but true. 'Hard' sciences are more immune, but not utterly.

 

Of course there are. What matters primarily are genes.

When discussing racial differences one must speak very precisely. It is also important that there be no sanctions against those who present unpopular opinions that can be demonstrated, or at least indicated, scientifically.

 

Still it is definitely worth a read, even if it's only to read the conclusions.

 

I may cede the point that DL is correct about a difference in racial IQ, butthat does not deflect from from how he would treat these "lesser" races. He has already stated that Lincoln had followed through with his plan to repatriate the freed slaves, so what does he wish to do with them, treat them the same as the Native Americans and force them into enclaves and reservations or just leave things how they are now. If it is the former then he deserves nothing less than the contempt he already receives, if it is the latter then what his he pushing forward this agenda.

Let us wait and see if he will give a straight answer or fudge around or ignore the question like a weasel

 

As well as the favorable opinions of friends and relatives. Those on the right reject scientific evidence in favor of man made global warming. Many even reject evidence in favor of evolution. However, they do not try to suppress those who argue that man made global warming is happening. It has been decades since they tried to suppress the teaching of evolution.

 

I completely support the civil rights legislation that was passed in the United States during the 1960s. I am also opposed to affirmative action and forced school busing.

In the United States American Indians are not forced to live in reservations. Many choose to do so because they feel more comfortable with their own kind, and because they receive financial and legal benefits from the government. In no way do I begrudge those financial and legal benefits.

I regret slavery and the slave trade. As best as I can tell none of my ancestors participated in either. However, I feel more of a sense of collective guilt in white treatment of the Indians. We did take their land by force and violence.

With few exceptions Negroes were enslaved by other Negroes and then sold to white slave traders. This happened when Negro slaves in Africa were sometimes the victims of cannibalism and human sacrifice. Until the development of modern medicines it was often lethal for Europeans to travel beyond the coast of Africa because of African diseases. The southern tip of Africa was an exception because of a drier climate.

In the United States blacks have a higher standard of living than blacks in Africa, or the Caribbean.

In the United States talented blacks face no barriers to achievement. This does not mean that blacks - or whites for that matter - who were not born with rare and lucrative talents should live in poverty if they perform conscientiously and behave decently. Many times on XMXX I have expressed my support for efforts by the U.S. government to reduce economic inequality.

 

As I thought the fudge non answer. Now give a straight and unambiguous answer to the question.

 

Although none of your sentences ended with question marks, I did respond to this statement:

I think blacks should not be discriminated against. I think they should not be discriminated in favor of. I support efforts to reduce black poverty, provided that those same efforts are exerted on behalf of poor whites.

If you do not consider that to be a clear answer to the issues you raised, you are not interested in a rational discussion of those issues.

 

You are absolutely right here and this is where I vehemently disagree with DL along with his positions on authoritarianism and eugenics.

But he is still a nice guy who can be a friend to black people. He has been a friend to me

 

Thank you.

Two of the best friends I ever had in my life were black, although I am unfortunately no longer in touch with them. A more casual black friend probably saved my life during a mugging effort.

You origen01 are one of the most impressive posters on XNXX. I am pleased to include you on my Friends' List.

 

Refuted? No. I am not a researcher. But I have presented evidence that shows that environment does play a larger role in determining IQ than Charles Murray, Arthur Jensen et al tend to assert.

www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/20060619_IQ.pdf

And I must admit, I kinda resent people translating having lower IQ scores to having significantly lower intelligence. As noted before in this thread, IQ tests are SIGNIFICANTLY flawed--as is revealed by the Flynn Effect.

 

I am humbled.

 

Lesser races huh?

You may have heard of the saying 'Survival of the fittest'

Who would you want with you if you were trapped on an Alaskan Island in the middle of winter; A group of Eskimos or a group of Wall Street stock brokers?

Your intelligence & skills adapt to fit your environment and survival needs.

Homo Sapiens are the only species of humans who survived what nature had to throw at us during the early evolutionary struggles.

Stupid animals who couldn't adapt to their environment go extinct.

We are still here for a reason.

 

Has he told you how he wishes that the blacks had been repatriated by Lincoln, has he mentioned to you that if you are approached in the street by a group of black youths that you should cross the road unless they are obviously dressed for work or church.

Yeah of course he is a nice guy, but he will still stab you in the back as he looks into your eyes. The man is a bigot and a racist.

 

If it's past about 9pm and I'm walking along and a group of blacks are approaching, hell yeah I'll cross the road. Same goes for a group of Pakistanis and a group of white neds.

He's been mugged before - by black people. Personally, I don't blame him for his caution. The black criminal culture, through sad appropriation of styles from other sources, has a distinctive dress sense. People who willingly dress like that can reasonably be expected to be part of a criminal culture, and thus to be avoided.

Anyone not dressed like that is thus dressed 'normally', 'respectably', or 'smartly' - call it what you will. DL doesn't advocate avoiding them which, let's face it, means that he is advocating treating blacks who don't actually look like thugs as one would treat any normal member of society who doesn't look like a thug.

 

Soo, basically what you're saying here is that when I'm on one of my 'leave me the fuck alone/hermit' days, all I have to do is dress like a thug and people won't bother stopping me to bug the fugging crap out of me for hours (well, 20 minutes at least)?

Way to goooo stargazer, thanks for the advice