Sir I counter your arguments

Lets look at how you answered my post shall we:

1) To defend prejudice by saying that 'being on a forum makes it OK' is nothing short of being a very nasty piece of work. A forum is a place where people can discuss things in a civilized manner. You would not enter congress or the houses of Parliament and start throwing abuse because you did not agree with what someone said, no matter how good or bad the subject, you would be thrown out at best.

2) I agree there should be comments fore and against the subject matter. this is called a discussion. That is what a forum is for, but you can not abuse people because they do not conform to your moral compass as everyone has a different morality.

3) Also it is not about whether we like or dislike comments to what we put, but whether someone is being blatantly rude or nasty when there is no need.

4) And sexual stimulation from something you don't think is morally correct does not make it automatically wrong. It is another persons fetish/fantasy and it is not wrong. It is also a hardwired process in us that can not be changed. You do not learn sexual attraction to anything. It is a part of who you are. I uphold this with many cases of people who are attracted to something that is illegal. Why would anyone want to go through hell (PRISON) for something they can help. Pedophiles get beaten and raped in prison, fact of life. Why would anyone want to suffer that if it was a conscious decision. Necrophiliacs too get a very raw deal in prison. As do many other actions that are considered social deviances. Not so long ago you could get arrested if you showed too much flesh in a public place. Australia still has strict laws about topless sunbathing on a public beach.

5) And I never said anything about sex with babies. Obviously you are protesting a little too hard so I think you have thoughts that sicken you and have an internal conflict between your moral compass and your desires. I'm not saying what they are, but you brought up sex with babies with no prompting. Is there something you want to tell us all. So no, I am not a sick fuck as you put it. I actually think you internalize the abuse you give others because of these thoughts you have. And when you call others you feel justified because you are subconsciously calling yourself these things.

6) I personally can take any constructive criticism, and can even take a certain amount of abuse. All through my school years and all my young adult life I was abused, verbally and physically, for the colour of my hair. I am Ginger haired and the English school children and prejudiced adults do not like this colour on a male. For the last seven years, since I turned thirty, I have worked to rid myself of people who even commented in a negative way about things about me that were either beyond my control, or didn't concern anyone else. As a result I have a group of wonderful friends.

7) I agree that when the OP opens a subject he or she opens it for everyone to comment on, but I do not agree with you when you think you can abuse him or her for that subject. The lack of understanding and tolerance that you show is the reason why most wars are waged in the name of this religion or that philosophy. The rest of the time it is down to money.

8) And if you think Bestiality is disgusting, why did you come onto this thread? Did you only come here to get kicks out of abusing people for something they like? Or do you have an even deeper psychological abnormality or something?

9) The fact it is illegal in only thirty states of america sais that the other twenty states are a little more tolerant of peoples choices in this matter. If it was so bad as you would have people believe then why isn't it illegal in every state of every country? Makes you think.

10) Also I do not want approval for any of my acts, criminal or not. If I did I would be all "Ooh please tell me what is right and wrong so I can do what makes you happy". If I want to do something then I way up the pro's and con's and decide whether or not it is a good idea. If I did care what others thought then I would dye my hair every day to a more accepted colour and live where no one knew me just to fit in with the prejudice part of the public.

11) OK. Lets examine this last bit in a bit more detail. I agree fucking humans of consenting age is fine, on the surface, but lets look at that. There are some parts of the world where the legal age of consent is as young as nine years old. Are you telling me that they are wrong or the western world is wrong? And what part of the western world? In Europe the legal age of consent ranges from twelve to eighteen. Who is right. In the UK it is sixteen. In a lot of states in America it is eighteen. There is even a place where it is twenty one. Is america wrong and should raise the legal age of consent to twenty one also. And like I said before I never even mentioned babies, that was you. Again I ask is there something you wish to tell everyone. And what is this that you want to lock me, and everyone else by proxy, for what we think, feel, or believe. Where do you stop. I do not believe in god or the devil. Do you want to lock me up for that? We are not in other countries and therefore the freedom of speech stands. But with freedom comes certain restrictions. Abuse is restricted so that the freedom can be maintained. Legality is a grey area as there are as many people out there that would argue for the freedom to fuck animals if they knew they would not be persecuted as there are people who disagree with the practice. And I am sorry, but to use the "BRAIN CAPACITY" argument is just desperation. Every organism has the natural instinct to fuck in its own way and sex for lower intelligent life forms is not a taboo if it involves other species. Dogs love sex. If they didn't then they would bite you. Simples. And like I said one mans morality is different to another. Ant to enforce your ideas onto another is called a dictatorship and that is so far from what I, or every person in the western world, works towards. It may be a goal for a small minority but they never succeed. Otherwise we would be in a dictatorship type country.

Please think before you answer this reply as a simple flaming answer will just show that you are not intelligent enough to converse with me. I am not being arrogant and I know I am not the most intelligent person in the world. But I do have a level of intelligence that I would like to be matched.

Hopefully people will be less prejudice on here from now on.

 

Get yourself a 6 month old puppy and train him to fuck you. That way you get sex on tap with him.

 

I live in the north east!.... North east America..

 

XNXXhad a small bestiality section, then they got rid of it! XNXX please bring it back.

 

wow u go that was alsome it is so well spoken and thank you for our defense

 

Yes, i am in total agreeance. I would love to see the legal age lowered to.

 

Good post, you already have the upper hand for keeping it civilized and eloquent.

There is a place and a behavior that matches that for everything. This is a porn forum, the language used reflects that. Furthermore the topic to me is disgusting enough to use the language used. What is so wrong with prejudice? You are passing judgement on something you find unacceptable and wrong. That is a very fair thing to do, and I do not think there is anyone in the world privy to that.

The names might not be pleasant but they are fair, the way I see them. Anyone that has urges that abuse the trust of someone or something that does not have the power to object or reason is a sick fuck (at best) and should be locked up to preserve the security of the society as a whole. Again we come back to the answers you will get in a forum. They are not always what you want or expect. They are not politically correct or pleasant either. I believe they would be the kind of comments you would get in real life from most people should you open this subject,

Agreed on your first sentence. Maybe I do not understand since I am not hardwired the same way, however I have other desires (not sexual) which might be considered illegal or morally wrong (like use other people's money for my enjoyment). Even in that case though, as a grown man, I am able to control myself since I know right from wrong. You can not justify an unacceptable action with the "I am hardwired for it" excuse.

Maybe you should read your post again, you said "nd if the legal age of consent was lowered even further then I would likely go lower in age". So if there was no age limit, you wold go for whatever. Don't turn this around on me. I am very comfortable and can find enough women my age, who are able to think and make their own decisions. I would find it very wrong to abuse someone or something unable to make their own decisions, that is why we are having this conversation. I expect you to do the same thing.

Please lets stop this "victim" mentality here. You are your own Boss and make your own decisions. Everyone at some point was picked on, the point is most people do not blame their shortcomings on unimportant events from childhood. You are a grown man, you have to accept comments and people as they come both positive and negative. Creating bubbles who do not let you know your wrongs will never make you a decent man.

You expect tolerance for something illegal and disgusting? It is not happening. The OP and most people that believe they have the right to abuse animals should seek help and not allowed to keep any kinds of animals. Animals are trusting you to take care of them, not abuse them.

We all have shortcomings but what is being discussed here is not an abnormality is a mental problem. You are asking me again something we have already discussed, why am I in this thread, because someone needs to give you the other side of the subject, it is a forum expect both sides.

Not really. Means that those other 20 have either not gotten around to it, or is not a problem big enough to be regulated.

Not the "age of consent" discussion again. First I do not know any European country where the age of consent is 12 (apart from Vatican, where there are no citizens for all I know under 16). The lowest is 14 and the age of consent ranges because the environment and the customs of the country are such that require it. In an agricultural society where farming is vital and the number of family members makes a huge difference in the success of the family then I can somewhat understand age of consent at 14. There are countries that circumsize their women. Is that right? should we adopt that? As civilized humans we should allow people to get to an age where they are able to make their own decisions and chose for themselves. And you can not even discuss animals. They are not able to decide what is right, and please do not use "instinct" as an excuse. That does not mean it is right. A dog will eat an entire chocolate factory using its own instincts.

Every democracy is a dictatorship for the minority. Like it or not it is life. I do not agree, with certain laws that Obama is choosing to pass, however I have to live with them since the majority has decided. Obviously you are not alone in the world and have to follow certain rules that make society better as a whole.

 

Well I must admit you are not so ignorant as I thought you were. This is a compliment to you sir as you answered my post with clear and respectful language and I thank you for that.

I think there is no room for negative prejudice in society. It is negative prejudice that causes so much conflict in the world of today and yesteryear alike. Positive prejudice is a healthy way of expressing views to the contrary of others opinions.

Let me give you an example:

Negative prejudice is calling names and putting counter views using anger or revulsion. This is an emotional response to something that is morally reprehensible to a person. It only furthers the other parties resolve to do or say what it is they are doing or saying. Positive prejudice is putting a sound argument behind a view backed up with evidence that is not propagated by those that try to control society.

On the subject of Bestiality you used negative prejudice to air your views and this was why I answered you post like I did. If you had used positive prejudice you would have said something in the region of:- To fuck an animal is wrong in my opinion as the animal bases all its behavior on an instinctual level due to its lower level of intelligence and therefore under normal circumstances it is unable to deny its inbuilt desire to fornicate. If an animal or person is unable to deny something that is not a yes to that activity and therefore must be treated as a no. And to fuck a person or animal under these circumstance is considered rape.

If more people used positive prejudice rather than negative prejudice then society would be a better place to raise our children.

But I do not agree that animals are unable to say no, or are unable to understand what they are doing. Let me give you an example of why I think this:

I had a girlfriend once that owned an Alsatian. One day she went for a shower and forgot to take a towel in with her. After her shower she came out of the bathroom and all dripping wet and smelling clean the dog started to make a fuss of her. She thought nothing of it and bent to get her shoes from under the bed so she could go down stairs to get herself a towel. As she was reaching under the bed the dog jumped up and mounted her and proceeded to fuck her. She was taken by surprise and found she loved the feeling of dog cock. I got to her place that evening and seeing the scratches on her sides I asked what happened. she broke down and cried her shame into my shoulder. I told her it was not her fault but she told me the shame was due to the fact she enjoyed it so much. I told her I liked the idea and put her hand on my cock which was hard as steel. For a few months after that, until we broke up, she would fuck the dog every day and I would fuck her every night as she told me all about her depravity. most of the time I was working but one day I got to watch and it was so erotic seeing her on all fours with the dog pounding away. My point is that my Ex would never had thought to let him fuck her without the dog instigating and raping her but after that they both enjoyed their time together. And the dog knew enough to only do it when they were all alone or with me.

On the subject of doing or not doing illegal acts some people just do not have the strength of will to control their desires. I do and you strike me as someone who is of strong will too, but you can not deny that if there was no comeback whatsoever and in your mind no one got hurt you would do an act that you desired to do no matter what society said. In other words if you knew that you could spend some money that was not yours, and no one would miss that cash, and there was no way in a million years that you would ever be caught, even by whatever gods you believe in, you would spend it.

The lowest age I would go would be about 6 if it was legal to do so. I know this is morally wrong for you as you have said so, but if society said it is ok then no one would have a problem. In USA I know that it is 18 and you think that 16 is a child but here in the UK 16 is the legal age and that is still a child for the yanks. Who is to say what is right or wrong. But the legal age is not 6 and therefore I would never dream of fucking any underage girls in the present legal climate, but I do fantasize and no one has any right to dictate what I do in my own head.

On the subject of being a victim, I was a victim up until I took charge of my life when I was 30. Until then it was not a once in a while occurrence of someone saying bad things. When I was in school, from the beginning to the end, I would be beaten at least once a week by gangs of boys. One year they went so far as to chase me onto the ice of the school pond and forced me to break it until I fell in. They did this by throwing rocks at me. There was blood everywhere. When I finally did fall in they stayed and watched as I slowly caught hypothermia. If it hadn;t been the timely intervention of a teacher then I would have been dead that winter. Two other ginger haired boys were not as lucky as me. One was kicked to death and the other was stabbed. When they caught the bastarrds who did it it was a gang of fifteen boys who were so proud of getting rid of the ginger kids from the school. I endured this on a daily basis and I equate it to the deep south experiences of blacks in the 1950's and before. I do not consider any of these experiences as insignificant events from childhood, they were all my childhood. So, Victim ... I'd have to say yeah, but not anymore.

I do not expect tolerance for anything, but on the same hand I do not expect (though I probably should) persecution for things that do not effect others or I can't help feeling. I see a woman being licked or fucked by a dog and my cock springs to life, want it or not.

As for putting the Other Side to the thread, there are ways and there are ways. Like I said before positive and negative prejudice. I personally have a problem with people who are suffering from mental disabilities, like Down Syndrome and the like. But I do not even comment on them, even though I would love to shoot every single one of them. I do not as I know it is my problem not theres. The same should be for anyone who hates bestiality. Just don't bother with them. Why should anyone else who is not related or in charge or have jurisdiction over them (teachers, parents, police, judges, etc.) be their moral compass. This is what the terrorists are trying to do. They are trying to enforce their own moral views on a society that is corrupt in their eyes.

And I can say one country where the legal age of consent is 12; Amsterdam. There are certain rules to follow but it is set to 12.

Circumcision in my view is wrong but I do not spout off about it on their forums. I think it is a barbaric practice that has no relevance in modern society.

 

Age of Consent in Holland is 16, not 12.

But other European countries are nearly as low:
Spain 13
Austria, Croatia, Germany, Italy, Liechtenstein 14


And much of South America is 14 (Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Brasil, Peru and others)

Only Mexico and the Philippines are 12, but that is generally overruled by local laws. And yes, the Vatican state is 12 also (no big surprise there)

It is illegal for an American citizen or resident to have sex in another country with someone aged under 16, unless the age difference is less than 4 years, in which case the minimum age is 12.


source: http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

 

I stand corrected on the Amsterdam thing but my poit is still valid. I think the only right or wrong is respect or lack there of.

 

hey

i live in the north east and would love to see a girl fuck a dog ahh we could have some fun

 

Sorry for the late reply, took a few days off from the civilized world. I understand the concept of the positive prejudice, sometime the feeling against such acts is so strong that you can not refrain yourself from saying the first thing that comes to mind.

I think you are looking at the situation from one point of view only: "A woman getting fucked by a dog', and maybe that can be attributed to your experiences. Sex with animals is rape, there shoud be no questions about it. The animal does not have the logical capability to say no. Same goes with younger people. Let's forget for a second the woman screwing a dog. Let's talk about a man fucking a sheep, or a man fucking a hampster. Is that acceptable. The sheep has no ability to say no, how will you know if you are hurting the sheep? Sex with anything or anyone unable to decide for himself should be out of the question. Anyone with some level of self control should understand this.

I lived in Coventry for 7 years during my teen years. England, and especially Coventry is a tough place to grow up if you have an accent (albeit being white). I have had my fair share of beatings but each time it happened I made sure I took one down with me. Soon enough I was left alone. Everyone is picked on at some point in life, is how we see each other during and after those experiences that count. You are a victim only in your mind, whoever messed around with you (or me) is probably far worse than you (or me) right now and I am sure does not even think of us not even for a second. So I do the same.

Well let's try this again with a different approach and let's see how it works out.
- I explained earlier how an animal is not able to "consent to sex". The animal is acting on instinct, it is trusting you, and you have absolutely no way of telling if you are hurting the animal. This alone should be sufficient reason.
- Animals can transmit diseases such as worms, fleas, ticks, salmonella, campylobacteriosis and so on. Close contact with animals can also cause interactions between animal and human viruses. Interactions between foreign viruses are one of the ways viruses mutate and cause new medical problems. Now it would be Ok if the disease ended with the person that decided to have sex with an animal, however he/she is endangering the entire human species. A great number of people on earth die each day from AIDS, a disease which had bestiality as a catalyst.

did this approach work any better?

 

The truth - You won't believe me

I am not going to argue with you on the "Can't say no = Rape" Cos I agree. It's just whether you can understand the other creatures communication of it's feelings and desires that dictates if you think you are raping it or not. I believe I can understand an animal when it communicates through body language. I will say no more on this point.

As for the whole disease thing let me explain a little science. When we get ill and do not die it is because we are able to fight off the infection. When we are unable to fight off the disease we die. Simple as that. That is what AIDS is. it stands for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. It is caused by the HIV virus. This never came from an animal. It is a human developed virus that mutated from its original biological experiment. The original was developed as a weapon and released in Africa to combat the rebels who were prostituting women and selling drugs to fund their war against the regime at the time. It mutated and spread faster than predicted. When the HIV virus hit and there was all the scare mongering about how it was a gay disease or a bestiality disease back in the 80's I did a lot of research on the subject. The internet became common place and I carried on looking at all the different information and I discounted all the experts who contradicted everything other experts said. I had to fill in a few gaps with logical reasoning and this is the result I came up with. Now there are a couple of other diseases that our immune system can not defend us against. Non of these come from animals. When we catch a disease our body learns to fight it better each time and we become immune over time. This is how vaccines work. A weakened or dead version of the virus is injected into us and our body learns how to fight the virus. If we do not subject ourselves to disease on a daily basis then we will become more susceptible to illness and over time the human race will be weaker.

On the whole "Animals have diseases" thing, If you look after your pet creatures then you make sure they get the medication they need not to have nasty diseases and parasites. Then you can fuck them to your hearts content without worrying about catching anything.

 

knot

Why be careful of the knot?? Thats the best part. You have never been fucked if you haven't tied with a dog. I have seen it done and most women go into orbit because they cum so hard

 

ask the girl you were online with.

 

Watching a wowan achieve the ultimate O is the most erotic and beautiful moment in life, those that oppose,will never feel total bliss, fill your boots girl, I believe it's it's sexier than hell.

 

what the fuck are you talking about, its a dog for heavons sake, leave the poor mut alone and get a toy ffs..

 

I have a very open mind about sex by the way.. animals have there kinda sex, and us humans have ours as well.. trying to mix the 2 is NOT NATURAL and thinking like that shouldnt been seen as prejudice.. just the truth staring at you with the expression of wtf

weird thread..

 

Yes

Sod those who have never tried, throw them a pussy.
I would go down on all fours for you and lick you silly.
just call me bruce........:rose: