Had the police conducted a thorough investigation in the first place, we wouldn't be where we are. I suspect that if Sharpton and others had not made a public issue of this case, the whole thing would have been swept under the rug by the Sanford PD. The quickest route to a fair resolution of the issue would have been to arrest Zimmerman and try him. If he was found not guilty, he'd be far better off than if he is never tried, but a significant share of the public believes him guilty.

 

Well I guess in a sick kind of way, we owe a debt to those that didn't let it die ... don't we ???

 

Take your pick. The issue of racial profiling, for one. And while we're at it, the issue of the NRA, ALEC, and the outrageous gun laws being passed in state after state, that make it easier not only to own and carry firearms, but to use them without provocation.

In terms of promoting hate, he far exceeds them. I brought him up because some people here seem to think raising and exploiting inflammatory issues is solely the province of the left. It isn't.

 

In a way, I think good ole Al does care about that young boy (somewhere in his mind). But in terms of getting his face in the media to "jabber" about unfair practices, racism, and so forth and so on...that's just him wanting to get himself noticed once again. I dislike that he used this situation, but I'm glad it wasn't just swept under the rug.

 

yeah
exactly that

 

You have no proof of that. Public investigations are far too often flawed. Lynch mob thinking is usually wrong. I have no idea if he is guilty or not and neither does Sharpton.

If he wants justice why isn't he in Chicago demanding that the police find and prosecute the 6 year old girl who was shot and killed while playing on her porch. By the way, she was black, too.

 

In a real dialogue we would be able to explain why we associate young black males with violent street crime without being shouted down.

The liberal call for "a dialogue on race" is hypocritical. Liberals suppress an honest discussion of black social pathology. That is what we should be talking about.

 

Wow ... that is a hell of a leap from the original question here, don't you think ???

I'm sure that leap would win a gold medal in the Olympic long jump competition.

 

Nobody's preventing you from expressing your point of view, DL. God knows you do it at the drop of a hat, and you drop the hat yourself. But just because we don't give credence to your narrow-minded point of view on the subject doesn't mean we don't want to discuss race in America.

 

This is nothing but a diversion, an attempt to change the subject. What happens in Case A has no bearing on what happens in Case B. Sharpton is under no obligation to focus on another case just because you and others wish to bring it up.

Sharpton admits he does not have all the facts, and does not know if Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. All he's saying, and all Martin's family is saying, is that until Zimmerman is charged, we will never know if he's guilty or innocent.

 

nar·row-mind·ed (nr-mndd)
adj.
Lacking tolerance, breadth of view, or sympathy; petty.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/narrow-minded

I guess I am narrow minded. I lack tolerance and sympathy for criminals. Quite honestly, I hate them, and I want them to suffer. I do not think they are victims of social and economic injustice. I think they have debts to pay society.

Nevertheless, I am always willing to listen to a good argument, and frequently to a bad one. Because blacks have a rate of violent crime that is about eight times the white rate, and even even more times the Oriental crime rate, and because males from fifteen to 30 have a higher crime rate than other people, I think it is reasonable to associate young black males with violent crime. That is why I am in favor of race profiling.

What is wrong with that reasoning?

As I have pointed out on several occasions the tripling of the prison population since 1980 has been followed by a reduction in the crime rate by one third.

http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/lawenforcement/punishment.pdf

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

No, I do not think that is a coincidence. I think punishment works.

 

The authorities won't arrest him until they are reasonably sure they can get a conviction. They aren't jumping to conclusions like the mobs and so called "black leaders."

Sharpton has chosen to focus on interracial violence because it gets him in the limelight.

 

Well, who cannot agree with this. You made another point about `racial profiling', this makes no sense to me, because both participants are black!
Even notwithstanding the alleged `coon comment' by Zimmerman, blacks use epithets against each other, as most of us know.

I think Al Sharpton is a grandstander, but I have heard some intelligent and useful comments by him in recent interviews. If Al S gets some publicity for himself, then I would be ok with this(same for a Canadian equivalent).

CNN is trying to make a racial profiling case on Zimmerman, by the numbers `from Sanford Police dept', more blacks than whites, by 5 to 1, or 2. He reports those that `seem suspicious'. This made me sick! Pathetic and superficial, reaching and desperate. Is this a good example of how rabble rousing is done, is this news, or just another CNN(American Liberal?) attempt to shape the audience?

 

Aren't they? It appears to many of us that the investigators on the scene thought it appropriate to charge him (he was, after all, brought to the police station in handcuffs). The decision not to charge him came from higher up.

But tell me...why was the investigation taken out of the hands of the Sanford PD?

Maybe, but that doesn't alter the facts of the case. Those on the right who are mounting a character assassination of Trayvon Martin likely have the same motivations. They even used it as an excuse to attack Barack Obama.

Perhaps. But

 

Say what u want, the blacks are alot more racist than white people, if a white guy tried to pull what sharpton gets away with he would be nailed to the barn door before sunset!!

 

Actually, he is focusing on white on black violence. Black on white violence is a more legitimate focus, because it is more frequent.

 

Baloney. I hear this sort of "white victimization" thing on Fox News, Limbaugh et al every time I'm misguided enough to turn it on. You'd think it was a white man who was lying dead in the morgue.

 

It was my impression that they gave it up to get out of the spotlight. Can't say that I blame them. They will be treated as wrong either way. Allow a grand jury to see the evidence and let them decide whether to charge him.

 

Most of the "ME" generation cut their teeth on CNN and MTV and as such believe them to be the "gospel". You really need only look as far as Nancy DisGrace to see that CNN is a fucking joke, with far to much time on their hands now that there is neither a slow speed chase or war to cover and Tiger Woods is keeping his pecker in his pants, lol.

 

I think there is more of an effort to assassinate the character of George Zimmerman. The press has certainly contributed by publishing photos of Trayvon Martin when he was several years younger, and a mug shot of George Zimmerman. No one looks good in a mug shot.