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Anyone ever hear of the Crusades?? This fight is not new and will not stop....ever.

 

For those of you who don't know too much about the Crusades, here is a little information that may help you understand.

The Crusades started in or about 1095, but there were actually 3 Crusades spread out over about 300 years. The first Crusades stared when armies of Christians, from Western Europe, responded to Pope Urban II’s plea to go to war against Muslim to recapture the Holy Land from the Muslim invaders. Muslims and Christians had been at war for hundreds of years due to the ruthless and bloody Muslim invasion of Europe.

The idea of driving back the Muslim invasion was popular among European Christians and received a tremendous response from the military elite who later form a new class of knights called the Knights Templars. This Christian army also drew the support of ordinary citizens who wanted to take revenge on Muslims who had sacked their countries, slaughtered its men and taken most of the women and children as slaves. Since the mission of the Crusades was to recapture the Holy Land, it was determined that those who joined the armed pilgrimage would wear a cross as a symbol of the Church.

Many of today’s Muslims like to cry and pretend the Crusades were wars of aggression against them. However, they conveniently forget that Islam started in the tiny area of Mecca at the start of the 7th century, and quickly spread through invasion, conquest and forced conversions until its empire extended through North Africa, into Spain and southern France. That means that all Muslim Lands are conquered lands and subject to being retaken by the original occupants.

After the First Crusade achieved its goal with the capture of Jerusalem in 1099, the invading Christians reestablish several Christian states, and Muslims in the region vowed to wage holy war (jihad) to regain control over the region. Deteriorating relations between the Crusaders and their Christian allies, lead to the sack of Constantinople in 1204 during the Third Crusade. Near the end of the 13th century, the rising power of Egypt provided the final reckoning for the Crusaders when they lost their coastal stronghold of Acre and were later driven out.

Hope that was helpful.

 

You forget to mention the Crusaders Rhineland massacres of Jews in Germany on their way to Jerusalem, or their wholesale pillaging and massacre of the inhabitants of Antioch and Jerusalem. Or that when Saladin retook Jerusalem, he provided the defeated Crusaders with armed escorts and safe conduct out of Jerusalem, even allowing them to keep their arms. Odd how anything positive about the Muslims gets left out, as well as anything negative about the Christians.

 

The Crusades are often mentioned by apologists for Muslims whenever someone mentions Islamic terrorism, honor killing, and the fact that a large number of Muslims favor the death penalty for Muslims who leave the Islamic faith. Those apologists say, "Oh yeah? What about the Crusades?"

The Crusades were provoked by the Muslims because Muslims interfered with Christian pilgrimages to Christian holy sites.

 

I'm not the one who brought the subject up, merely the one who pointed out a few omissions by them that did.

 

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That the Saracen Horde overran western Europe through Spain, sacking, pillaging and raping all the way to Nice, France, might have been a wee little contributor to the Crusades as well.

 

Many people in the West, and yes virtually all of them are on the Left, look for reasons to hate Western civilization, while they make all kinds of excuses for the enemies of the West.

During the Cold War this made a certain amount of sense. Communist dictatorships violated liberal principles in practice, but Communist propaganda gave rhetorical support to liberal ideals.

With the Leftist willingness to make excuses for Muslims those on the Left - and this of course is not true of me - expose their hatred for Western civilization.

This is purblind. The Left was born in the West. It has been nurtured by Western traditions of tolerance.

 

Thanks for all of the posts about the Crusades. I'm also familiar with the basoc points of it history.
Look at the mild argument that sprung up here in just a few posts. Multiply that in the real world exponentially. My main point is that this conflict is not new, and many people on each culture have looong memories. While some people can get along, Christian and Muslim will always be at odds, especially in certain parts of the world.

 

Is there a way to make the odds in our favor ?

 

I just posted a quick outline of the causes of the Crusades. The 4 short paragraphs I posted were never intended to give a full account of everything that happened. Whole books have been written about the Crusades and anyone that is interested can go to the library and get educated.

My main point (which was not posted as a reply to anything you wrote.) was that Muslims and Muslim apologist always bring up the Crusades in an attempt to cast Muslims as victims. Muslims were the aggressors during their unprovoked invasion, plunder, slaughter, rape and enslavement of innocent European men, women and children. The Crusades were a counter attack by European Christians, and yes there were a lot of barbaric acts committed by both sides, however we must remember that there would never have been a Christian Crusade had it not been for the Muslim's barbaric attacks and forced conversions of European Christians.

 

It is irrelevant who fought whom a thousand years ago. Wars between ideologies have been fought down through the centuries, and military occupations have existed for as long as organised militias have existed.

Do we hold grudges against the Italians, who enslaved most of what was then the known world, or the Greeks for Alexander The Great who did mostly the same thing? Do we consider carpet-bombing Mongolia to get revenge for the acts of Genghis Khan? No, of course not, so why do the events of a millennium ago have any bearing on today's world.

Within living memory Britain and its Empire fought two brutal and bloody wars against Germany and its allies, and won on both occasions due to the assistance of the USA, yet we do not ostracise the Germans, rather we regard them as our allies now.

I agree that Islam needs to reform, it is an oppressive and discriminative dictum, much like Christianity was a thousand years ago. Islam denies both its adherents and its non-adherents basic human rights and freedoms, things which have been hard fought for over the centuries and are highly valued and cherished by those of us in the 'Western World', but to suggest that we 'wipe out' millions of innocent people simply because their ideologies differ from ours is ridiculous.

I am no Muslim apologeticist, I despise the idea of any portion of Sharia law being practised in any country that considers itself a democracy, and I hope that those countries which do enforce such brutal and restrictive practices can eventually be persuaded to soften their ideals, and perhaps one day they may bestow upon their citizens the same freedoms we take for granted, but we will not do that by force (excepting that the organised terrorist militias such as Daesh will have to be fought with all the conventional military might that we possess).

 

Time for moderate Muslims to rise up and say we are not going to take it anymore. Take to the streets and protest the CRIMINAL behaviors of "so called Muslims". We are tired of being portrayed as apologists for barbarians.

 

A gay rights movement in the Muslim world is unthinkable. If there was a gay rights demonstration anywhere, the police would not have time to arrive and arrest the demonstrators. They would have been previously beaten to death by a howling mob of Muslims.

 

Master of Facts.......WRONG.

http://islamandhomosexuality.com/5-muslim-nations-gay-legal/

Turkey.
Albania.
Mali.
Indonesia.
Jordan.

 

I sometimes imagine myself sitting in a really comfortable chair on the moon and looking at the earth and finding it to be so small in the grand scheme of things. I hold my thumb out in front of me and close one eye and cannot see the earth anymore. I am amazed by the thought of what a tiny little place we really live in and about how many fucked up things are happening in it. I wonder if we were ever to all be friends and have no conflict what the world would be like or how different it would be . It would be pretty fucking boring. I think.

 

I really don't know where that came from honestly. I was thinking out loud. Sorry

 

I stand corrected. Only one of those countries is Arab. There used to be a website on the internet about two teenage boys in Iran who were hanged for a single homosexual act.

 

Even with the Great Recession people who live in Europe, the United States, and the British Commonwealth have a higher standard of living than we had two generations ago. Since 1900 we have experienced two world wars and a cold war that might have resulted in a nuclear war.

Nevertheless, we are still here.