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Can Muslims live in America as fellow citizens?

  1. Yes they can. We should welcome them with open arms.

    46 vote(s)
    43.8%
  2. No they can't. We should ban them from entering our country.

    42 vote(s)
    40.0%
  3. Yes but only if they renounce the teachings of Mohammd and reform their religion.

    17 vote(s)
    16.2%
  1. Michaelfg7x70

    Michaelfg7x70 Porn Surfer

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    Answering headline-

    YES. In fact we do live among muslims every freakin day. Most are cool.

    Of course that half of a half a percent is scary as fuck
     
    1. Mayling
      Any body that would strap a bomb to themselves and become a smart bomb scares me.
       
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  2. conroe4

    conroe4 Lake Lover In XNXX Heaven

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    Those fuckers don't scare me at all. Then again, down here, we don't put up with their shit.
     
    1. Mayling
      Everything you guys a debating about scares me. I'm scared that there are people that would kill me just because I'm an American. So I'm claiming my Japanese half of my nationality so I will have less of a chance being killed by an extremist. I think.
       
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    deleted user 777 698 Porn Star Banned!

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    @freethinker, I get your point here. You are correct! I never heard this on major media sources, and that is my point. I assume most Americans have jobs and do not have time to devote to research about Muslims. I probably like most working people, come home from work and turn on the evening news. Maybe you see news reporting about major moderate Muslims protesting the radicals, it sure isn't on the evening news. All most Americans hear is Muslim extremists are beheading people, throwing homosexuals off buildings. If there are major protests from moderate Muslims I certainly don't hear about them on the evening news. Anybody other working people hear about it on the evening news?
     
    1. freethinker
      So your implication is what, I'm some unemployed drone with nothing better to do? First, I am semi-retired, yes, though I do have my own consulting business, working my own hours, out of my home. It keeps me off Social Security, though I do qualify for that as well as disability. It also gives me time to look in here, do the (minimal) research required to answer your questions, and still get my work done and pay my bills. I'm sorry you are not in the same position, though I doubt you would still take the time to learn more about what you're talking about.
       
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    deleted user 777 698 Porn Star Banned!

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    What is your freaking problem? No one suggested you are not working. For crying out loud, get off your soap box! Can you freaking read? My comment from the start was about not seeing news about moderate Muslims protesting against radical terrorists, I did not say they aren't, I said I see no proof. I also tried to explain to you the average American is just like me, a working guy or gal that works 40 -50 hours a week AND we get our news from the evening paper, and the evening news on TV. Why do you have such a hard time understanding that? Not all of us are as fortunate as you are. We do not have the luxury of having abundant free time. So where do you get off calling me a bigot? I'm telling it like it is, major media sources are not reporting are not covering moderate Muslims marching in the streets protesting radical Muslim atrocities.
     
  5. freethinker

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    ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP, UPI, Fox, AFP, BBC, Reuters - all of them have websites, and each of those contain many more stories than the headline 'leads' the evening broadcasts put on. Is everything else irrelevant because it is not broadcast on the evening news?

    If you took as much time educating yourself as you do posting here, you might change your outlook. I doubt it, but there's always that chance.
     
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    deleted user 777 698 Porn Star Banned!

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    You are just too full of yourself, old timer.
     
  7. freethinker

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    Maybe. But in my time on here, I'm not the one spewing hate and bigotry; I'm not the one who posts slanted, out of context, inaccurate crap; and I figure my age and life experience gives me every right to refute your bullshit. Your mileage may differ.
     
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  8. freespiritx

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    I posted an article hoping for dialog to understand the fears many have of the unknown. The unknown being Islam.
    So many of us have never been exposed to the world of Islam. We know very little of this religion, except of the extremes
    of the Qur'an which we are bombarded by through the news media.
    I've never read the Qur'an, so I can't speak of it with any authority.
    I've been told it's full of beautiful poetry, but also has some extremes such as disturbing directions for the believers to follow when in contact
    with those who are not Muslim.
    Fear of the unknown can conjure up frightening nightmares well beyond any possible reality.
    Instead of a constructive conversation , or civilized discussion to enlighten those of us who want to understand the reality of our future, the conversation
    has turned into a war of words.
    The article I posted, has likely contributed to this, which wasn't my intent.
    My hope is that we can return to a discussion whereby we will be able to better understand a way of life which for most of us is a mystery.
     
  9. Michaelfg7x70

    Michaelfg7x70 Porn Surfer

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    *sigh*
    All the book writing posts are not necessary.
    Again....99.99 of muslims are peaceful.
    The real debate should be how we should fight terrorism period.
    Getting lost in the weeds does no good
     
    1. Mayling
      Where do you get your numbers of 99.99 % from?
       
      Mayling, Apr 21, 2016
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    2. Ed Itor
      Ivory Soap?
       
      Ed Itor, Apr 21, 2016
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    3. Hardrive
      The idea that 99.999 percent of Muslims are peaceful is wishful thinking. If you really understood the nature and goals of Islam you would know that 99.9 percent figure couldn't possibly be true. I am posting a link to a report based on dada gathered by Pew Research. The report is about 5 years old but you can be sure that if the percentages have changed they have shifted to even more Muslims supporting Jihad. Take a look. And before you call me bigoted and full of shit, remember, this is not my report.

      August 30, 2011, Pew Report: 1/3 of US Muslims Support Al Qaeda, Suicide Bombers.. by Debbie Schlussel.

      http://www.debbieschlussel.com/41425/pew-report
       
      Hardrive, Apr 21, 2016
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    I can't see any reason why the debate shouldn't include both. Otherwise, how will we know whether it's 99.99% peaceful, or the
    heavy influx of refugees currently flooding Europe, and then into North America, could heavily sway the percentages.
     
    1. Mayling
      That's why I get lost in the weeds is so that the ones who flood in will have less of a chance finding me and hurting me. I think.
       
      Mayling, Apr 21, 2016
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    2. freespiritx
      LOL, Maybe you could show me the way in, and they won't find me either. LOL :)
       
      freespiritx, Apr 21, 2016
    3. Mayling
      I'ts just left of the big rock by the marsh, and your more than welcome to join me , I would love the company.
       
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    4. freespiritx
      On my way!
      Also, I'll be easy to spot. I'll be the one carrying a stack of gift cards for the Stuart Weitzman shoe collection. :)
       
      freespiritx, Apr 21, 2016
    5. shootersa
      You go!
      But you two get a room please.
      Oh, and Mayling, Freespirit wears a size 9 shoe. You know, in case you two want to go to the outside of the box a bit.............
       
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    To a point I agree with your post.
    BUT...........
    If we don't discuss Islam, along with the beginning of understanding it enough where we would be able to help Muslims assimilate into
    our countries, or through fear of the unknown, we isolate Muslims to the point where we cause a shift in the percentage your speaking of.
     
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    1. Ed Itor
      You can obtain a free copy of The Qua'ran translated into English, you know.
       
      Ed Itor, Apr 21, 2016
    2. freespiritx
      Where?
      And Many Thanks For This.
       
      freespiritx, Apr 21, 2016
    3. Mayling
      hiding in the weeds makes me feel better because nobody including you and or the others will ever be able to combat terrorist's, make a concerted effort , yes maybe, stop it, no never. I think.
       
      Mayling, Apr 24, 2016
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    I left articles, links and posts to explain what I could over several threads. I hope between that and what reliable information can be found on the internet, people will take the time to learn. Maybe they'll take time to talk with some Muslims, reach out to them, and see what they're really like. After that, they're on their own.
     
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      @Hardrive
      Before I read reports like this one I first do a check on the reporter.....Do a check on Debbie Schlussel and you'll find she's a far right-wing bigot who's insulted many people over the years.
      Reporters need to write in a non-biased manner, sure they can have their own political beliefs, but their roll is to report the facts how they really are and not how they interpret they are.
       
      69magpie, Apr 21, 2016
    3. Hardrive
      Debbie Schlussel is not a news reporter. She is a political commentator. She takes information and news reports and analyses them and then gives her opinion. In this case she is analyzing a Pew Center report about how US Muslims answered questions regarding terrorism. The Pew report provided the raw data. Debbie Schlussel provides the commentary and opinion. You are free to agree or disagree with her opinions but the facts are the facts. What you should not do is to prejudge what she has to say before you even read it. To call her a bigot because you are prone not to agree with conservatives is to demonstrate your own bigotry. I didn't hear you object to or challenge the 99.99 percent claim about Muslim passivity. Why? Is it because you have a left wing leaning when it comes to the Muslim problem?
       
      Hardrive, Apr 21, 2016
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      I read it, I disagreed with it.

      In my research about her I found out that she's a very far right-wing conservative who has an intense hatred for Muslims, she has even said that the whole 1.8 billion of them should be exterminated ........and you want me to take her serious, you have got to be kidding me.
       
      69magpie, Apr 21, 2016
    5. Hardrive
      I never got that she hated all Muslims and I doubt she would say that as it would destroy her career as a columnist. She may have said that hated their Ideology. As an expert on Islamic extremist, she must have learned a lot about the fundamental tenants of Islam. Just from what I know I can tell you that Islam can be monstrous and should be despised by everyone.

      Look at the barbaric things that ISIS does in the name of Islam. And what they do is proscribed by Islamic law. Burning people alive, putting families into a cage and drowning them, crucifying people, cutting off heads, hands and feet, stoning people to death as their families watch, and taking children as sex slaves. These are the acts of monsters and they deserve to be universally hated. You'll have to show me where she says that all Muslims should be exterminated. I wouldn't say all but the ones that promote Jihad need to be killed.
       
      Hardrive, Apr 21, 2016
    6. Mayling
      Isn't that a song, '' you put your left wing in, you pull your right wing out, you put them all together and shake them all about'' ?
       
      Mayling, Apr 25, 2016
  13. Mayling

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    Not to change the subject, but I can't download pictures of my new shoes :(
     
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  14. Michaelfg7x70

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    Honey this is well known. There is info all over the place.
     
  15. Michaelfg7x70

    Michaelfg7x70 Porn Surfer

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    The muslims are stopping you from downloading...
    Bastards!
     
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      Hey they prefer to be called illegitimate or born out of wedlock.
       
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    Mayling SEX FIEND

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    You know that's the first thing that entered my mind and I didn't suggest it because I didn't want any of you to think I was being paranoid or stupid. I knew it was the Muslim.
     
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  17. Michaelfg7x70

    Michaelfg7x70 Porn Surfer

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    Ha!
    I like you
     
    1. Mayling
      I like that you like me :) I'm likable . I think.
       
      Mayling, Apr 21, 2016
    2. Ed Itor
      I'm sorry, I read that as lickable and now I am totally in a different mind place.
       
      Ed Itor, Apr 25, 2016
  18. Michaelfg7x70

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    Understood.
    My political correctness button is broken
     
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    Right click on "Upload a File."

    Go to the directory that has the photographs of your new shoes. Right click on each of the photographs. Right click on "Open." Right click on "Full Image." Right click on "Preview" to see what you have.

    25-candle.w529.h352.jpg
     
    1. Mayling
      I have done that and I still can't get them to load. :(
       
      Mayling, Apr 22, 2016
    2. Ed Itor
      Click your heals together three times and say there is no place like xnxx.
       
      Ed Itor, Apr 25, 2016
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    Just in case anyone missed the link I've posted above, here it is again for people that want to know. The idea that 99.99 percent of Muslims are peaceful is wishful thinking. If you really understood the nature and goals of Islam you would know that 99.99 percent figure couldn't possibly be true.

    So, what is the truth? I am posting a link to a report based on dada gathered by Pew Research Center. The report is about 5 years old but you can be sure that if the percentages have changed, they have shifted to even more Muslims supporting Jihad. Take a look and become educated.

    For those of you that want the report in a nutshell, I'll just give you just a tiny hint of what you'll find in the report. Basically the report starts by saying that Muslims in America, who are often characterized as “mainstream,” “moderate,” and “middle class,” and are often portrayed as being just like you and me,.... this survey will reveals that they are in fact so radical and extreme that 1/3 of US Muslims, support Al Qaeda and Suicide Bombers. Why don't we know this? Because the Government and the mainstream media keep this information from us. Why? Well that goes beyond what I can report in a nutshell. If you want to read more... view the link.

    And before you call me bigoted and full of shit, remember, this is not my report.

    Pew Report: by Debbie Schlussel. August 30, 2011,
    DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL is a Conservative political commentator, radio talk show host, columnist,
    attorney and lecturer. Her unique expertise on radical Islam and Islamic terrorism and
    other issues make her a frequent New York Post and Jerusalem Post columnist.


    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/41425/pew-report
     
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    2. Rothko
      No darling I wasnt refering to you. I will come back with some info on this matter which everyone may find revealing and perhaps astonishing.
       
      Rothko, Apr 21, 2016
    3. Rothko
      I dont reject things out of hand however you refered to Debbie Schulussel's ridiculous and offensive tirade as if what she said had any merit, which it doesnt
       
      Rothko, Apr 21, 2016