Dont Blame Trump, he inherited this mess

Distant Lover · Apr 7, 2020

shy guy said: ↑

How simple do I have to say it...

you asked a question, ...What did Obama do to the economy that was so terrible?

I answered it....Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74% increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.

What else needs to be said...on a school test, when a simple question is asked, do you go off and write an essay.
I answered your question with quote and link, accept it and move on, not everything has to be responded to with diversion
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Sorry. Your answer was incorrect. Obama prevented the Great Recession from becoming the Second Great Depression.

shootersa · Apr 7, 2020

Incorrect.

deleted user 555 768 · Apr 7, 2020

Distant Lover said: ↑

Obama prevented the Great Recession from becoming the Second Great Depression.
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Jezes freakin crist, bet you'd kiss his feet if he walked by.

"the Great Recession"...Oh the Drama, for fucks sake...if it wasnt for Dodd-Frank forcing banks to grant mortgages to people who obviously couldnt pay it back...causing the meltdown in the financial institutions, is what caused the "Great Depression".

Ok, lets here it, because something Bush did, may be Reagan, ...no wait, how about But, But, But, ...Nixon!

deleted user 555 768 · Apr 7, 2020

Distant Lover said: ↑

Those who are not asking for a lesson badly need one. They believe silly cliches, rather than the truth
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How can I help you?

stumbler · Apr 7, 2020

shy guy said: ↑

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74% increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.

FY 2017 - $671 billion

FY 2016 - $1.423 trillion

FY 2015 - $327 billion

FY 2014 - $1.086 trillion

FY 2013 - $672 billion

FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion

FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion

FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion

FY 2009 - $253 billion. Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009.9

This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama's contribution to the debt

But, but, but this and that and the other thing, something happened, something didnt, and the price of tea in China went up!
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How much debt has Trump added in just over three years?

And now let's review shall we?

Here are five shocking coronavirus news updates — from one month ago today

The coronavirus pandemic that has become a worldwide crisis in 2020, even though it has the designation COVID-19 because it first started spreading in December.

In the last month, the spread of the virus across America has seen exponential growth.

“Baltimore-based Johns Hopkins University, which has been keeping a running tally of coronavirus numbers, said at least 356,942 US cases had been confirmed, with 10,524 deaths,” AFP reported Monday. “Only Italy (15,877) and Spain (13,055) have seen more of their citizens killed by the deadly pandemic.”

Here are five updates from one month ago show how far the United States has come in the last month:

Jesse Ferguson ✔ @JesseFFerguson

ONE MONTH AGO TODAY (3/6)

Trump: "within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

TODAY (4/6): https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1247217057986469894 …

Ryan Struyk ✔ @ryanstruyk

Replying to @ryanstruyk
CNN: 10,000 people in the United States have died from coronavirus.

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11:58 AM - Apr 6, 2020

Stephen King ✔ @StephenKing

So why is this guy President if he doesn't actually want to DO anything? https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1247301167689994241 …

Jake Tapper ✔ @jaketapper

One month ago today, President Trump visited CDC and said, falsely, “anybody who wants a test gets a test.”

Wasn't true then and isn't true now.

Today he kicked it to states and hospitals, saying the federal government is "not supposed to stand on street corners doing testing."

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7:47 PM - Apr 6, 2020

Paula Reid ✔ @PaulaReidCBS

“It is being contained.” One month ago today Kellyanne Conway chastised me for suggesting #COVID19 was spreading across US. @CBSNews #Quarantine #CornavirusOutbreak #coronavirus

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8:28 AM - Apr 6, 2020

Aaron Rupar ✔ @atrupar

One month ago today Trump told us he didn’t want to let people off a coronavirus-infected cruise ship because he didn’t want the number of US cases to go up. More than 10,800 Americans have died from Covid-19 since then. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1236054778318393344 …

Aaron Rupar ✔ @atrupar

Replying to @atrupar

"I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship" -- Trump explains that he doesn't want to let people off the Grand Princess cruise ship because he doesn't want the number of coronavirus cases in the country to go up

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6:45 PM - Apr 6, 2020 · Washington, DC
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/he...avirus-news-updates-from-one-month-ago-today/

deleted user 555 768 · Apr 7, 2020

stumbler said: ↑

How much debt has Trump added in just over three years?

And now let's review shall we?

Here are five shocking coronavirus news updates — from one month ago today
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You skipped right over the review and into corona deaths, ...you Ghoul!

stumbler · Apr 7, 2020

Trump and his allies have financial ties to companies that manufacture untested drug he’s touting for COVID-19: report

President Donald Trump’s fixation with hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria and lupus, as a potential treatment for the novel coronavirus has left many medical experts, including members of his own administration, frustrated. The drug comes with severe side effects ranging from nausea and hair loss to blindness and cardiac arrest; the hoarding of the drug to test it in COVID-19 patients has resulted in autoimmune patients being denied it, and the evidence that it even helps COVID-19 patients in the first place is anecdotal at best.

But according to The New York Times, all of that may be secondary — because some people in the president’s orbit stand to profit if hydroxychloroquine is approved to treat coronavirus.

The president himself, according to Peter Baker, Katie Rogers, David Enrich, and Maggie Haberman has a financial interest in Sanofi, the French pharmaceutical company that manufactures the drug under the brand Plaquenil.

“Some associates of Mr. Trump’s have financial interests in the issue. Sanofi’s largest shareholders include Fisher Asset Management, the mutual fund company run by Ken Fisher, a major donor to Republicans, including Mr. Trump,” said the report. “Another investor in both Sanofi and Mylan, another pharmaceutical firm, is Invesco, the fund previously run by Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary. As of last year, Mr. Trump reported that his three family trusts each had investments in a Dodge & Cox mutual fund, whose largest holding was in Sanofi.”

Fisher has not commented on the story. And Ross has issued a statement that he “was not aware that Invesco has any investments in companies producing” the drug, “nor do I have any involvement in the decision to explore this as a treatment.”

You can read more here.
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/tr...ntested-drug-hes-touting-for-covid-19-report/

anon_de_plume · Apr 7, 2020

It really baffles me when his supporters scream and shout how none of this is Trump's fault, and yet just a few months ago they were shouting his praises for how well the economy was booming. But then they complain that Obama jacked the economy by adding to the debt, but completely ignore the simple fact that Trump has added to the debt as well.

So which is it, does Trump get the credit or does he take responsibility?

shootersa · Apr 7, 2020

Well, as usual, anon spews variations of truth that fit his narrative.

anon_de_plume · Apr 7, 2020

shootersa said: ↑

Well, as usual, anon spews variations of truth that fit his narrative.
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Unable to address anything I said specifically so you offer a blanket dismissal... Excerpt that nothing I said was untrue.

spjames · Apr 7, 2020

shy guy said: ↑

Jezes freakin crist, bet you'd kiss his feet if he walked by.

"the Great Recession"...Oh the Drama, for fucks sake...if it wasnt for Dodd-Frank forcing banks to grant mortgages to people who obviously couldnt pay it back...causing the meltdown in the financial institutions, is what caused the "Great Depression".

Ok, lets here it, because something Bush did, may be Reagan, ...no wait, how about But, But, But, ...Nixon!
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You can't seriously be that stupid can you? Those mortgages were given and then Wall St. played games with them buying selling and trading large blocks of them like investments along with lies that everything was fine. Then when the rug started to get pulled out from under the shady dealers well they cashed in what they could and let the market fall out. You can say that giving those loans was stupid but even more stupid was letting Wall St. play games with them. Something the REPUBLICAN administration of GWB could have prevented.

thinskin · Apr 7, 2020

shootersa said: ↑

Well, as usual, anon spews variations of truth that fit his narrative.
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......and as usual shitter ads naught of substance to the debate save for his lies!

Thinskin

Distant Lover · Apr 7, 2020

spjames said: ↑

You can't seriously be that stupid can you?
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Yes, I am afraid shy guy can be. As soon as he gets his GED certificate he and I can have a serious discussion about this. Until then he is not worth my time.

Distant Lover · Apr 7, 2020

thinskin said: ↑

......and as usual shitter ads naught of substance to the debate save for his lies!

Thinskin
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I beg your pardon, Sir! shootersa was a successful human relations professional. That is why he knows that most middle aged men who lose well paid, unionized factory jobs get better paying jobs doing something else.

*sarcasm off*

Distant Lover · Apr 7, 2020

shy guy said: ↑

How can I help you?
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Earn your GED Certificate and we can have an intelligent conversation about serious matters.

BigSuzyB · Apr 7, 2020

President Trump is doing the best he can to stay ahead of the virus.

stumbler · Apr 7, 2020

Yes there is no doubt thousands of Americans are dying unnecessarily because of what Trump did and did not do. And he and his administration continue to lie to the American people on a daily basis.

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic
A memo from Peter Navarro is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

A top White House adviser starkly warned Trump administration officials in late January that the coronavirus crisis could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.

The warning, written in a memo by Peter Navarro, President Trump’s trade adviser, is the highest-level alert known to have circulated inside the West Wing as the administration was taking its first substantive steps to confront a crisis that had already consumed China’s leaders and would go on to upend life in Europe and the United States.

“The lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on U.S. soil,” Mr. Navarro’s memo said. “This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.”

Dated Jan. 29, it came during a period when Mr. Trump was playing down the risks to the United States, and he would later go on to say that no one could have predicted such a devastating outcome.

Mr. Navarro said in the memo that the administration faced a choice about how aggressive to be in containing an outbreak, saying the human and economic costs would be relatively low if it turned out to be a problem along the lines of a seasonal flu.

But he went on to emphasize that the “risk of a worst-case pandemic scenario should not be overlooked” given the information coming from China.

In one worst-case scenario cited in the memo, more than a half-million Americans could die.

A second memo that Mr. Navarro wrote, dated Feb. 23, warned of an “increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life of as many as 1.2 million souls.”

At that time, Mr. Trump was still downplaying the threat of the virus. The administration was considering asking Congress for more money to address the situation, and the second memo, which circulated around the West Wing and was obtained by The Times, urged an immediate supplemental spending appropriation from Congress of at least $3 billion.

“This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,” Mr. Navarro wrote in the second memo, which was unsigned but which officials attributed to him. It was unclear whether Mr. Trump saw the second memo, whose contents were first reported by Axios.

The second memo seemed aimed at members of the White House Task Force established by Mr. Trump to manage the crisis, and reflected deep divisions within the administration about how to proceed and persistent feuding between Mr. Navarro and many other top officials about his role and his views.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo said.

Among other things, the memo called for an increase funding for the government to purchase personal protective equipment for health care workers, estimating they would need “at least a billion face masks” over a four-to-six-month period.

The administration ended up asking for $2.5 billion. Congress then approved $8 billion.

Mr. Navarro is now the administration’s point person for supply chain issues for medical and other equipment needed to deal with the virus.

The January memo written by Mr. Navarro was dated the same day that Mr. Trump named the task force to deal with the threat, and as the administration was weighing whether to bar some travelers from China, an option being pushed by Mr. Navarro.

Mr. Trump would approve the limits on travel from China the next day, though it would be weeks before he began taking more aggressive steps to head off spread of the virus.

Questions about Mr. Trump’s handling of the crisis, especially in its early days when he suggested it was being used by Democrats to undercut his re-election prospects, are likely to define his presidency. Mr. Navarro’s memo is evidence that some in the upper ranks of the administration had at least considered the possibility of the outbreak turning into something far more serious than Mr. Trump was acknowledging publicly at the time.

Neither Mr. Navarro nor spokespeople for the White House responded to requests for comment.

The memo, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was sent from Mr. Navarro to the National Security Council and then distributed to several officials across the administration, people familiar with the events said. It reached a number of top officials as well as aides to Mick Mulvaney, then the acting chief of staff, they said, but it was unclear whether Mr. Trump saw it.

Mr. Navarro is a well-established China hawk who has long been mistrustful of the country’s government and trade practices. Both Mr. Navarro and Matthew Pottinger, the chief deputy at the National Security Council, were among the few officials urging colleagues in January to take a harder line in relation to the growing threat of the coronavirus.

But their warnings were seen by other officials as primarily reflecting their concerns about China’s behavior — and their concerns look more prescient in hindsight than they actually were, other officials argue.

With the subject line “Impose Travel Ban on China?” Mr. Navarro opened the memo by writing, “If the probability of a pandemic is greater than roughly 1%, a game-theoretic analysis of the coronavirus indicates the clear dominant strategy is an immediate travel ban on China.”

Mr. Navarro concluded at one point: “Regardless of whether the coronavirus proves to be a pandemic-level outbreak, there are certain costs associated with engaging in policies to contain and mitigate the spread of the disease. The most readily available option to contain the spread of the outbreak is to issue a travel ban to and from the source of the outbreak, namely, mainland China.”

He suggested that under an “aggressive” containment scenario, a travel ban may need to last as long as 12 months for proper containment, a duration of time that at that point some White House aides saw as unsustainable.

The travel limits subsequently imposed by Mr. Trump did not entirely ban travel from China, and many travelers from the country continued to stream into the United States.

Mr. Navarro was at odds with medical experts like Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who had argued that such travel bans only delay the eventual spread.

Mr. Navarro alluded to that debate on Saturday during a separate argument with Dr. Fauci in the Situation Room about whether the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was effective in treating or preventing the virus, according to two people familiar with the events.

In the memo, Mr. Navarro cautioned that it was “unlikely the introduction of the coronavirus into the U.S. population in significant numbers will mimic a ‘seasonal flu’ event with relatively low contagion and mortality rates.”

He noted the history of pandemic flus and suggested the chances were elevated for one after the new pathogen had developed in China.

“This historical precedent alone should be sufficient to prove the need to take aggressive action to contain the outbreak,” he wrote, going on to say the early estimates of how easily the virus was spreading supported the possibility that the risks were even greater than the history of flu pandemics suggested.
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anon_de_plume · Apr 7, 2020

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"the Great Recession"...Oh the Drama, for fucks sake...if it wasnt for Dodd-Frank forcing banks to grant mortgages to people who obviously couldnt pay it back
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act

The Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (commonly referred to as Dodd–Frank) is a United States federal law that was enacted on July 21, 2010.[1] The law overhauled financial regulation in the aftermath of the Great Recession, and it made changes affecting all federal financial regulatory agencies and almost every part of the nation's financial services industry.
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So, let me see if I understand @shy guy, he thinks a law passed in 2010 retroactively caused the Great Recession, which was caused by the housing market collapse which began in 2005.

Distant Lover · Apr 7, 2020

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