There is an interesting (at least to me) book out entitled Never Get Busted Again. It’s sort of a self-help book on how to conceal drugs from drug sniffing dogs, how to avoid being profiled as a drug currier, what methods the police use to detect drugs and drug users. In other words how to keep from getting busted for drugs by the police. What the rest of you might find interesting is the book is written by an ex-drug enforcement officer who no longer believes the war on drugs is a good thing and thinks that marijuana should be legalized. There is supposed to be a website up by Tuesday.
Also for anyone else who might be interested there is an excellent source for the absurdity of drug laws and all other consensual crimes. The book is Ain’t Nobody’s Business If You Do, by Peter A McWilliams. You can find it online @
http://deoxy.org/ccrime.htm

 

I've only ever done speed weed and ecstacy, had a brief fling with pain killers, that was a bit of fun. But yeah, nothing more.

Good fun. Stopped speed after a mate nearly died though lol

 

Here are some more recent statistics on causes of death from drugs and other means.

The Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298, reported on the leading causes of death in the United States:
§ Tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths)
§ Poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%)
§ Alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%)

(Note: 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related vehicle crashes are included in both Alcohol consumption above and Motor vehicle crashes below.)
§ Microbial agents (75,000)
§ Toxic agents (55,000)
§ Motor vehicle crashes (43,000)(see Note above)
§ Incidents involving firearms (29,000)
§ Sexual behaviors (STDs, hepatitis B and C, and cervical cancer) (20,000)
§ Illicit use of drugs (17,000)

 

Thank you Stumbler for sharing this. I am becoming such a cynic that I don't even believe the AMA statistics.

What is this poor diet and physical inactivity, sounds like people in the hospital, that's the way they are, so if you die in a hospital, is that the statistic used?

I hate phony statistics. Maybe because I am a mathematician as well as other things.

The number of deaths look suspicious. What is the time period. What is the geographical span, I think NYC alone would have more deaths than their total in a year.

 

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This is posted after rereading all of the other posts in this thread. OK BB & S, why shouldn't it be OK for forum friends to disagree. I respect you both.

Back to topic, though. I personally never used any sort of drugs including marijuana, except a very small amount of alcohol (limit one drink) and of course necessary RX drugs.

I have first hand experience, though, with people on heroin, and cocaine. Others I cannot speak to, and also first hand experience with alcoholics. I didn't get the alcoholic gene.
My father, my niece and nephew are all alcoholics, but the mother of n & n is not, and cannot drink alcohol.

The GD govt conducted a very vicious war of words on heroin users in the 1920's. I have read some of their propaganda. It is similar to that of Hitler's regime on other subjects.
Heroin was sold legally in this country as a cough syrup and pain reliever, which it is, to some date around there.

This same GD govt paints all non-legal drug users with the same brush. Totally degrading them and persecuting them. From my own experience of living with a heroin addict, my second wife, who was also a prostitute when I met her, and the other people I have seen: there is no comparison between heroin only users, cocaine only users, and speed users. Whether they also use marijuana, is sort of immaterial. The heroin addicts are never violent, they are very sociable people, and they are gentle people as a whole. If they get too much heroin, they feel exhilarated (the high) and will probably go to sleep, or be very drowsy, sort of half asleep. The problem for them is that they can never know how strong street sale drugs are, and sometimes it can cost them their life. I rescued my wife 3 times from overdoses (by myself, too) and she died from one unintentionally at 35yrs old. I was 58.

The cocaine users are hyper in their activity and speech. Many of them are violent.
My 3rd social worker wife said that longterm users have their brains and minds totally messed up.

I saw my second wife function perfect well with 3 darvan a day instead of heroin when she could get it.........and.......she preferred it. Got her into a phony CA state-run methadone program: their maximum dose was the minimum dose recommended by Federal Guidelines. They claimed to have helped so many people by resorting to a revolving door policy. They would find excuses to kick people off the program, then re-enroll them again later, and add both to their body count of how many people they helped for their grant documents. It was a total farce. She was on it for 2 years, she still had to use heroin to stay well (but not as much.)

The WAR ON DRUGS had one effect that was obvious quickly. The price of street heroin went down from $80 per gram to $40 per gram. The supply all came from Mexico.
The dealers would smuggle themselves into the US, which was not hard; one hid in new car shipments. Sell their drugs, get busted, and get a free ride back to Mexico to pick up more drugs, courtesy of the US govt. They would laugh about it.

The CIA has, from what I have read over the years, sorry no documentation, maybe its just a rumour, oh yeah? run an operation in the Golden Triangle in Asia to transport heroin and sell it for financing their covert operations; also from Columbia. I wonder if the biggest importer of drugs into the US isn't the CIA and other govt agencies. After all, it helps keep the money flowing to the drug czar business, and the WAR business.

And now that we control more or less the government of Afghanistan, the biggest crop from some sources I have read, say that it is opium, the precursor of heroin.

When we have a government that has openly admitted it lies to us (Actually in one of John F Kennedy's speeches: when it is in the best interest of the government, we will lie.
Note that he didn't say in the best interest of the people.

This government has a long long history of cosmetic solutions that accomplish either nothing or the direct opposite of what they are suppose to do....witness the proposed fence on the Mexican border.

My own belief is that the powers that be in the US Gov do not want the drug to end. It is too profitable for them. Just like cops don't want every one to obey the law, they would be out of a job. So there you see cooperation between the cops and the criminals.

My 2nd wife was an undercover agent without official portfolio for the cops for 2 years, and responsible for the biggest drug bust in the history of the town. She was not paid, she got into it by blackmail from the cops. She went to buy some H, they raided the place while she was there and found a syringe in her purse (illegal in CA unless you are diabetic), said if she would work with them they wouldn't prosecute her, and would not touch her suppliers. They were true to their word, and many times she surreptiously went into the PD to talk to them. I know, I drove her down there. I used to go with her on scouting trips. Yes, we would have both been killed if any of the dealers learned of this.

The alleged reason for making heroin illegal and the smear campaign was that 2% of the population was addicted according to their statistics (which I no longer believe, by the way). Guess what, a few years I read in govt information that 2% of the population is addicted to heroin.

My feeling is, there is too much vested interest in the status quo for it to be changed.

Excuse the rant, but I think some of things need to be said. You won't get the truth from the government.....it is only out there among us.

 

Methadone is nothing more than the pharmaceutical companies getting their slice of the heroin market. The prescribed dosage, as outlined by big pharma, is never enough, as attested to by many heroin addicts, meaning that addicts always want more......... so they 'top up' with heroin!

The perfect, cynical money making device. Give them what they want, but never enough, to ensure that they remain addicts!......

...it's called repeat business!

 

This song comes to mind 'God Damn The Pusher Man'

 

Stumbler, gotta say, minimum words maximum astuteness, I read your posts. That is a compliment.

 

It is not heroin or cocaine that makes one an addict, it is the need to escape from a harsh reality. There are more television addicts, more baseball and football addicts, more movie addicts, and certainly more alcohol addicts in this country than there are narcotics addicts. ​

REP. SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
September 17, 1969
House Select Committee on Crime​

 

[When a victimless criminal] is treated as an enemy of society, he almost necessarily becomes one.Forced into criminal acts,immersed in underworld-related supply networks, and ever-consciousof the need to evade the police,his outlooks as well as behavior become more and more anti-social.EDWIN M. SCHUR
Victimless Crimes

 

Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others. WILLIAM ALLEN WHITE

 

Take pot and you go to harder drugs. This theory has been debunked back in the 1940's.

Here in the USA we had a prohibition against alcohol and tobacco in the 1918's and no one said a word about drugs. In fact we had hashish houses in the major cities at the time.

The jihad against drugs took place in the 1930's and what a bunch of crock that was. It started out that if you smoked pot you'll go insane and rape women. After that was debunked then it changed to if you take pot you'll go to harder drugs after that was debunked then it got even loonier it went to pot was a communist conspiracy.

Meanwhile a common cough medicine was loaded with codeine all the way up until the late 1960's.

There will always be abusers, there will always be addicts to tobacco, alcohol, drugs and yes even food.

But to pick on something as mild as pot. Tell me when anyone overdosed on pot.

 

JACK NICHOLSON:My point of view, while extremely cogent, is unpopular. LOS ANGELES TIMES:Which is? JACK NICHOLSON: That the repressive nature of the legalities vis-a-vis drugs are destroying the legal system and corrupting the police system. LOS ANGELES TIMES:Let's talk about acting for a minute

 

this is really a case by case thing drug such as alcohol and marajuana can be fine is used properly and not by someone with a very addictive personality.

if you can quit drinking after a few just to where you have a buzz then thats fine its when you are on the front lawn naked humping the poor maple tree with a football in your hand scream go colts. thats when it becomes a problem.

 

So I can assume you have a maple tree on your front lawn? Sounds like you've been there.

 

If you don't think drug addiction can lead to problems in your life try this one. Just when the forum starts really jumping I've got to go out and buy a pack of cigarettes.

 

Over here, in The Netherlands, we have a show on public television called "Spuiten en Slikken" in English: Squirt and Swallow / Inject and Swallow (the dutch word for squirt/ejaculate/inject is the same: Spuiten) It's a follow up of the show "Neuken doe je zo!" (This is how to fuck!)

Spuiten en Slikken is about sex and drugs. It shows you, without any remourse or subtility what drugs can do to you and it educates about all sorts of sex and drugs.One of the presenters tried most kinds of drugs; from cannabis to XTC and crack and coke. The one thing he refused to use was heroine. The other presenter does the sex-part in the studio. There are different kinds of guests, from prostitutes to boys/girls who want to loose their verginity on tv.


It's about and it shows sex. But it's no porn.

 

Ok I've recently become more anti drug and its due to a lot of personal experiences. i used to be a huge fan of drugs and i did a lot of angeldust (or PCP as the other name) but i've seen so many people ripped apart by drugs and no i'm not talking about little stuff like weed or alchohol and alchohol can be addicting trust me i know that but it can be stopped if you don't drink, i'm talking about heavier stuff that really messes with you. Natural drugs like weed or shrooms they don't harm you or make you addicted they just make you high and people do turn to those to fight depression. Tobbaco is another terrible drug. i had smoked cigarettes and i can't for the life of me understand why it is legal. I did it for many years and it has almost killed me because of that and i had to quit. just so you know cigarettes are one of the hardest drugs to quit even including such things as PCP. it may not kill you to quit but its very damn difficult. i do not beleive drug addicts to be criminals because they're not but i do beleive they need help and they should be treated for it. Legalizing drugs would make them less desireable because the reason kids these days find it all to be cool is that its illegal. Cigarettes are more desired to children because they can't buy them. I just think that if you legalize them it would reduse the desire in kids community but it would cause problems yes, but it would be sink or swim and eventually we would move past it.

 

I watched an American TV special that highlighted the openess of sex and drugs in the Netherlands, and the corresponding statistics that showed teenagers in the Netherlands used fewer drugs, had far fewer teeenage pregnancies, an unbelievably lower abortion rate, and actually delayed becoming sexually active longer than American teenagers. And we're still plugging along with DARE and abtenence only sex education.