Agreed.

Dangerous play.

Red card.

Simple.

 

I don't even think it was reckless. He got the ball. I remember when the rule used to be if you touch the ball first it isn't a foul. Was it dangerous? Nobody was hurt. Foot up yes, no rule against that. Did he make contact with the player? clearly he did, but it wasn't intentional.

 

Intention is irrelevant Dave. I hate it when pundits comment on referee decisions when they don't even know the laws of the game. His foot was up at least 4 feet above ground, studs showing, he hurt the other player. If he didn't know the player was there, he shouldn't be on the pitch. What does he expect? 20 yards of space, as Roy Keane said. Definite red card. United out. Treble gone.

 

Nani tracked the ball, got it by making contact with the ball, and Arbeloa ran into his foot. There is no rule that limits the height of your foot. If that was dangerous then all tackles are dangerous. Nani hit the underside of Arbeloa's arm, and he went down holding his ribs.

If your driving your car, watching the road(ball) and a pedestrian (Arbeloa) steps out in front of you, who is to blame ?

Don't get me wrong, happy to see Man Utd lose. Also aware the rules are different to the not too distant past.

Rules : A player can be sent off if he is guilty of serious foul play or violent conduct.

"A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play"

"A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball. Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries, whether the ball is in play or not. He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive
force or brutality against a team-mate, spectator, match official or any other person."

The player is not guilty of violent conduct as he was challenging for the ball.
Serious foul play is up for debate, it depends on what measure the is force excessive. Debatable whether it was, his foot matched the air speed of the ball and he was not kicking out at the player.

Brutality implies intent.

 

Not that I dont love you Dave

 

Your red text is your opinion. The white text is my opinion. Neither holds any authority or weight over the other.

The only thing that is official is: "A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play" Which is not definitive, that is why the referee's discretion is an important part and rule of football. And that is why we are free to comment and criticise on how punishment is dished out.

“Using excessive force” according to FIFA means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.

FIFA rules of dangerous play

Playing in a dangerous manner is defined as any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player himself). It is committed with an opponent nearby and prevents the opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.
A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that, in the opinion of the referee, it is not dangerous to an opponent.
Playing in a dangerous manner involves no physical contact between the players. If there is physical contact, the action becomes an offence punishable with a direct free kick or penalty kick. In the case of physical contact, the referee should carefully consider the high probability that misconduct has also been committed.

Disciplinary sanctions

• If a player plays in a dangerous manner in a “normal” challenge, the
referee should not take any disciplinary action. If the action is made with obvious risk of injury, the referee should caution (yellow) the player

• If a player denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity by playing in a
dangerous manner, the referee should send off the player


Hard not to love me

 

Pot calling the kettle black.

To re-clarify what I posted yesterday

Fifa law 12, fouls and misconduct, states: "A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play." It clarifies: "Excessive force means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent." For description of danger, see my above post.

Nothing in the rules about having your foot high, foot up, or contact in the rules regarding a red card, let alone an automatic one. Maybe you should learn the rules ?

It appears that not only spectators and commentators feel the same way, but most pundits (barring Roy Keane) and most official referees that have spoken out do too.

Not sure why we people value keane's insight into the rules of football, he didn't know them as a player, and he doesn't know them now.

 

I was at Wembley yesterday to watch Man City beat Chelsea. Lots of drunken people attending a sporting event but not a bit of trouble.

My sympathies to Boston sports fans!:rose:

Thinskin

 

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A City fan's tribute to Alex Ferguson.

Well thank fuck for that, he has finally gone. After completing 1500 games in charge of Manchester Utd, the old bastard has retired. This guy has been a thorn in my side in terms of my football enjoyment for over 20 years.

What makes it more difficult is the way he has done it, with flair, nouse and wingers! I tip my hat to Alex Ferguson the likes of which I hope Manchester Utd. never see again. From Kanschelskis to Ronaldo, Ferguson has always tried to play the beautiful game in the manner that is most pleasing to the eye. The other thing is that he rarely makes defensive substitutions and Utd's reputations for late winners is testament to this.

I thought it fitting that in his 1500th game, the finishing scoreline was one that he had never had in the previous 1499 games.

The final score was West Bromich Albion 5 v 5 Manchester Utd.

Good riddance Alex Ferguson.

Thinskin

 

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Is this football, or just a picture of gratuitous athlete bottom :-E

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Back to the top of the league :excited:

 

Returnee, i take it you are a Liverpool fan then? Sturridge is unstoppable right now. But we will have to see what Arsenal and Tottenham do tomorrow. I myself am a Tottenham fan.

 

Aye, I'm a red alright The SAS are playing well lately, but we're missing Coutinho quite a bit, I feel. Our summer signings have been exceptional Toure on a free was a masterstroke, Sakho n Moses have been immense, and Mignolet has won us several points already.

I'm hoping for a West Brom & West Ham double KO :excited: To be honest, despite Spurs splashing the cash in a major way, I'm more concerned about Arsenal when it comes to the clash for a top four position.

 

i bet all Liverpool fans were going crazy jubilant when they dropped Reina and got Mignolet instead. such an inspired buy. Coutinho was in such good form when he got injured too. the trick with Arsenal though is that if they dont stay fit, they have pretty much no depth. if Ozil ever gets injured they are SCREWED. and Tottenham's strikers are just not cutting it in the EPL right now. Defoe has been killing it in the Europa League, but that is only the Europa League.

 

Not as much as you'd think, to be honest. Mignolet is a better shot stopper, and has knocked a significant chunk off the annual wage bill, but his footballing skills don't compare to Reina (who's probably the best in the world), and he's a bit hit & miss in the air. Several years younger, though, so he'll improve

Arsenal will be fine. They have, possibly, the best manager in the EPL right now, and they've always made it to the top four by being able to defeat the weaker teams. This season is the most open we've seen in decades, but I'm pretty certain Arsenal will retain their top four spot. If Ozil does stay fit, and they're in a good position in January, then they'll be able to attract some more world class players in the transfer window, which is what they need. Comparing Arsenal to Liverpool, I'd say LFC have the stronger defenders (Sakho, Agger, Toure, Skrtel) and stronger forwards (Suarez & Sturridge), but Arsenal do win the midfield.

Spurs are an odd one... I was pretty pissed off when you guys signed Erikksen, and he's looked pretty immense so far :excited: But yeah, a little toothless upfront so far. Still, that will come in time. As long as they're in a top 6 position by January, I think they'll be ready to push for a top 4 spot.

 

We are top of the league......say we are top of the league :excited:

I wont get tired of saying that

have to admit was strange seeing Pepe in a napoli kit the other day but Mignolet is proving what a good keeper he is ,
cant wait for Coutinho, Sturridge and Suarez to be on the pitch together

 

Same fella

I know it's a few months away, but where would you like us to reinforce come the January transfer window? I'm thinking if we can get another midfield playermaker, and maybe a RB to push Johnson on, we'd have done some very good business, without breaking the bank.

 

To be honest I dont think we need anyone we have kelly and wisdom to cover for johnson,
the big problem will when stevie G retires to replace him and if we are in the top 4 in january we wont lose Suarez