Hey, welcome to the Prison Nation pardner. Yeah, where are their laws and prisons? Well since we already imprison more people than any nation on earth their prisons are probably over crowded because its been more important to put non violent drug dealers and users in prison then child rapers like this.

Bleeding heart judges my aching ass. This is actually the result of the law and order, lock them up and throw away the key, classic (as in Middle Ages) approach to crime.

You wanted it. You demanded it. Now step up and admit your idea is not working and is actually making it a much more dangerous nation to live in.

 

I agree....guns shouldn't be allowed period...No matter who you are unless you are an offier of the law.

That is what got the officers killed in the first place...why give a gun to a crazy person who could kill everybody around them and forget to kill themselves???

 

What about the people who hunt?
I agree with restrictions and control, but to ban fire arms is going to far. Why punish sociaity as a whole for the actions of the few?
We can not give up our rights out of fear.

 

Good post, you gave me something to think about.

For the years there has been a relationship between increased crime and recessions.....

 

And then we wonder why so many of our wild life is being hunted down and killed.
Our society as a whole has become more and more violent.
If you looked in on a classroom of children and a particular toy started causing problems for the class wheather it disrupted a few or several the toy would be removed and nothin more...
Its not about punishment for the ones who use guns for "proper" use....
To kill isn't a use at all.

 

You know I love ya Red but I can't agree with you here. I view police officers entirely different than you do and think if nothing else I have a right to arm myself against the "bad" guys no matter what they do for a living.

This could get me shot out here but while I support the private ownership of guns I'm not opposed to restrictions that might better suit other places like cities and states.

But nothing is going to work to stop this sort of thing until we as a society reject violence, including state sponsored executions, and actually begin to value all human life.

 

I see where you are coming from on both points but even with the "bad guys" if guns were completly out of socitey as a whole and in the complete control of the people who are sworn to protect society then the "bad guys" have to find another means of defence...On the filp side we have states and cities who can't control the people who use them "properly" nor the "bad guys". So how are we to deal? i.e. we live like we do today... fear, hopelessness, hate, distrust and a host of other misguided feelings...

 

Well let me see here. How do the people threatened by the easy accessibility of guns deal with the violence that comes with them? I don't know. I haven't got that one really worked out yet. See I think it would be alright for cities and other jurisdictions to pass some really strict laws regulating guns. And those that feel their constitutional rights are being violated can move to a city or state with less regulations.

But just saying something like that could get me shot out here.

 

I can't believe that bleeding heart conservative Mike Huckabee let the Child raping cop killer out of prison.

And I thought he was supposed to be tough on law and order.

 

My heart goes out to the families of the officers, and true, we may feel the ripple effect that dragonflyjames spoke of. Hopefully, the ripple will bring good change in the way of justice. These days, a police officer is justified in feeling jumpy, I can't imagine blindly walking up to someone's car, knowing things could go sour so fast, much less sitting innocently, and having a tragedy like this occur.
Some years ago, I acquired a permit that allows me to carry a handgun concealed. There are very specific rules that have to be followed, folks. The applicant is screened very carefully, and even family members are called on by the authorities, just to be sure of the applicant's credibility.
In saying this, I find it strange that the laws that were drummed into us didn't seem to protect the average man, but leaned more towards giving the bad guy a break. It's amazing how very few times there are that I can defend myself, or someone else, without the possibility of legal action from the one who threatened my life.

 

First a shout out to Mr. Huckabee,thanks for releasing a man, who if he had commited his act a day earlier may have killed my GF's parents and thanks for helping washington lose 4 officers, my hearts out to their families and good on the officer that was actually able to shoot back and wound the guy.

 

Apparantly this guy has been shot and killed by Seattle police.

A just reward because the courts would fail us again.

 

Justice has been served. It's too bad that he couldn't be just wounded, and then a coup de grace delivered by a friend of those gunned down.

 

How do you propose to ban all guns except for law enforcement or military?

I can go out on the streets right now and, if I have the cash, have pretty much any kind of gun I want within a couple of hours, illegally, off the street. Take away the legal guns in the hands of law abiding owners, and guess who is still going to have them? That's right, the criminals, who now know they can commit their crimes with no fear that anyone they are robbing, raping, etc is armed.

Easy to call for a total ban on guns, much harder to enforce it.

And for the 'wonder why so many of our wild life is being hunted down and killed' argument, have you ever actually sat down and looked at the reports that show there are more deer and other wildlife now than there were a few years ago? There is more game now because the taxes on guns and ammo go to support wildlife programs to maintain wildlife populations. Deer, in fact, have become so numerous in some areas there is a corresponding increase in auto accidents involving them.

So all of your arguments so far fall pretty much flat on their face.

 

I fully support our right to own handguns and even our right to carry them at our own discretion.
I also believe that every person who chooses to carry a weapon should be licensed and trained in the safety,laws and function of their weapon of choice.Personal liability insurance is also a good idea if you choose to carry a legal weapon.

Every City has an area that is known for crime and I often have to enter such areas in the line of work I do.I just plain feel better with my Ruger in my back pocket while I`m in those dangerous parts of town.

Three times in the past,I have been confronted by would be robbers at work and so far I have not been robbed ,nor did I shoot the robbers.I was able to pull my handgun and send them packing all three times.

Had they not backed down,I would have enacted my legal right to use deadly force to protect myself and my property.The laws are very clear in Texas about such matters.

 

Ok a lone patrol officer checking out a stolen car confronted the child raping cop killer (Clemens) and shot him dead this morning.

So it looks like this is just another one of our more spectacular crimes. Except for one thing. It could just be me but according to reports Clemens received a lot of help from friends and family over the past few days.

That struck me as something a little different. Usually out of respect or fear of the law people are not willing to help someone who's committed a crime as serious as this one is. And with good reason because as demonstrated there are already several arrests made for assisting Clemens.

It could be just stupidity. But it could also signal a state of war between Seattle Police and some of the people they are supposed to serve. I think I'll tag this one and see if a pattern develops.

 

I get the idea of having laws inplace to "prevent" the criminals from commiting crimes with guns but what about the "law biding" person who accidently fires their said weapon at a person due to lets say a family member coming home late and they "heard a noice"??? Why have a gun in the house at all? Im all for protecting yourself but I guess I would like to see there be no need to take such drastic measures.

Okay let's say that every man and woman over the age of 21 owned a gun.
All of these citizens are now armed with the opprotunity to do harm, am I right?
No law in the world would prevent any one of them from using the gun as they saw fit.
That is the life we live in now (not as drastic) but close enough, why contunie?

That is great that the reports are saying that the wildlife counts are up but, I wasn't just speaking on land I wanted to take in the whole picture like water and air. It is a great thing that the animals are growing in numbers. No its not a good thing if motorists are not able to pay attention to the roads and notice a large animal standing in it....But outside of that my main point is I would like to experience a world without guns period...Police, Military no one has them...But that won't happen but I can hope..

 

Now, I don't have an easy answer for you here. I would like to believe that people who have guns also have the ingrained respect and caution they require. But I know that is not the reality and there are lots of people out there who may not have the sense proper gun ownership requires.

But weighing the pros and cons of gun ownership is a really daunting task. Yes, gun accidents are a startling statistic. But on the other hand that's very hard to compare with benefits like guns being a deterrent to crime.

 

Thank you...
The pros and cons as you said of guns and gun ownership can be a daunting task and I don't wish it on anyone...
I just wish we didn't have them....

 

it is just horrible