Who are you trying to convince?? Are you really concerned that I think that you are a fraud or that someone else might??

 

Nope not at all. I'm concerned with proving beyond reasonable doubt what a dishonest fraud you are tenguy and think I've done that very well.

It will probably have to wait though because I've got more then 180 miles of slick and foggy roads to drive to get back to work. But one test of my credibility will be if I actually do what I say I'm going to do.

See you later tenguy.

 

So it is settled.

We both think the other is a fraud.

 

Yes. So now all we have to do is prove who's right about that.

 

Prove to who??

Since you probably already know that I believe what I am saying is true and you the same, who are you trying to convince?

 

First to you. And secondly since you want to drag the general forum into this with statements such as:

Those who you contend are blind.

 

I don't propose to change your thinking at all because that is quite impossible with someone who is incapable of admitting they are wrong.

What I propose to do is establish which one of us is the fraud. Which one of us resorts to lies and personal attacks instead of facts. Which one of us can't discuss an issue with out turning it into a personal pissing contest.

Another bullshit lie and easily demonstrated to be just that tenguy. Here's your statements:

You are clearly referring to an audience not just me. And since you want to drag an audience into our personal pissing contest I'm all for it.

 

Not at all. Pointing out where you're wrong, where you resort to lies, where you make false accusations is really easy. That's one reason its easy to see that your persistence in doing so is actually obsessive/compulsive behavior, since it is obviously illogical and irrational.

Its stupid of you to appeal to the larger audience and then try to pretend you didn't. Your statements are clear enough and right above this.

The thing is tenguy you come after me looking for a fight and then act surprised when you get one.

 

Yes because you make false statements as facts. Like this one.

This isn't true and you know it and you have never found a single post of mine where I have supported terrorism. We both know that because I've challenged you on it before but you just keep making the same false accusation which is not an opinion.

I have no problem at all with differing views. I have a problem with you resorting to personal attacks, false accusations and lies because you have nothing else to back up what you are saying but can't shut the fuck up either.

Actually I must stand corrected on that. This is just our normal pissing contest which you can't resist starting anytime your entrenched dogma gets challenged with actual facts.

I agree. It looks like by now you would either change your tactics, but up some facts instead of false accusations or shut the fuck up. If you won't be embarrassed by your behavior I have to admit there are times I'm embarrassed for you.

I say this is another false accusation tenguy but here's your chance to prove me wrong. Show me the post where I appealed to a greater audience or took this to a personal level.

 

Good move Stumbler, this thread has been hijacked by Tenguy and has drifted way too far. This thread should be locked by an Admin.

 

There's been several new developments this morning.

One is fire fight broke out between Hamas and Israeli troops near the border.

Another is Israel is being investigated for war crimes during there offensive.

But perhaps the most hopeful development in former US president Jimmy Carter just released a new book spelling out how peace between Israel and the Palestinians can achieve peace.

What I found most interesting about the interview I heard was that Carter met with all Palestinian groups including Hamas and they indicated they were willing to accept a two state with Israel, recognized Israel's right to exist and implement a 50 year ceasefire.