but that's exactly what they've done.

 

that isn't really the issue at hand i've been addressing... i've simply stated you can't ignore the data that shows rising temperature averages... if you read back to about my first post in the thread you'll see where i say that but i say that the cause is easily disputable

so you bringing up all these points is rather futile and adds nothing to the discussion... furthermore- these aren't valid reasons to ignore the data

 

Okay, so my question is this: How do we know this data showing rising temperatures is accurage ? How do we know that this data has not been manipulated as well ?

 

data has been gathered by various scientists with various funding sources and the data shows the same trends... it's safe to say not all this data could have been manipulated into just showing rising temperature trends..

and my question for you... if you have to question the validity of EVERY SINGLE thing how can you arrive at any conclusion on either side of any question?... how can you even get dressed in the morning- cause maybe somebody put some implant in your head and you don't really want to wear that pair of pants but they made you think you did

 

How do we know that all that data HAS been manipulated. Just because one group did it, doesn't mean everyone is doing it.

 

I see my attempts to convince the community that everyone can do simple things to improve their local environment have fallen on deaf ears. Again.

 

NO!!! i heard you!

Even if say global warming is fake. So what if we spend a bunch of money on finding a clean energy source, on limiting air pollution, on organic farming, ... That is good for the world regardless what the climate is like

 

well i read your post and i agree there are simple things that can be done either way- but unfortunately people are more concerned with being macho and arguing against all possibility of rising temperatures than they are with making any improvements whether temperatures are rising or not

 

Which state do you live in shireman?, city or country?

 

Well then. If at least one person heard my message, then I'm happy.

If you want to learn more about mushrooms and how great they are, I reccomend Mycelium Running, by Paul Stamets. He actually taught mushrooms to digest used motor oil. The federal government even let him purify the land around an abandoned motor pool! The place is a thriving meadow now!

 

now that sounds quite intriguing- mushrooms utilizing motor oil... i'll have to do some reading into that as it truly sounds quite fascinating

 

Out of the ~60 mb of text (several thousand pages) and all they could come up with was a few out of context lines?

The main email being used to suggest that it's fake is the one talking about "hiding the decline" using "Mike's Nature trick". They're not even talking about world temperatures in this email. They were talking about tree rings, and how they have stopped lining up with the actual temperatures and how to correct that when attempting to look at a graph.

Essentially, the emails gave you NOTHING to make the claims you're trying to make.

While this isn't necessarily about the climategate BS, I think it'll address many of the claims you're going to make later:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/12/trust_scientists

 

Unless of course he is talking about faeces.

I noted it wolfie, but was also wondering. Do they taste good?

 

He does not need proof. All he needs is confirmation of what he wants to believe.

 

Be sure and buy up all that swampland in Florida while you're at it. You'll be up to your ass in the proverbial baby alligators.

 

Of course they do! The mushrooms I use are not only very good at neutralizing toxins, they are also of the culinary variety. And they're not just the boring baby white button mushrooms, I use the garden giant species, a large proud species of fungus that produces long thick mushrooms. The fungus is not only good at clearing soil of dangerous bacteria, they simply taste yummy!

Fungi Perfecti is the site I used to order my growing kit.

 

Please read...

http://brneurosci.org/co2.html

 

Hey! are you saying we are dumb? We elected Obama, Pelosi and Reid didn't we?

 

I'm always confused by the assertion that "The Global Warming Conspiracy" is running the show and it's all bullshit.

I'll grant you it might be but Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation that fits the facts is most likely to be true.

Now, the big Oil companies are very rich and powerful and the world as things stand relies heavily on the oil they produce to drive the economy. They stand to lose massively if Global Warming is proven to be linked to Carbon emissions and the world decides not to drown itself.

However despite this the Global Warming Conspiracy has managed to take over the world's media and outplay all the Oil Company lobbiests to convince enough of the world that burning fossil fuels is a bad thing and they've done it for, what, some grants for research, a few professorships, some consultancy roles in Government run sscientific committees.

Does it seem likely that they would have gone to all this trouble and suceeded for what they've been able to gain? Does it seem likely that they would have convinced anyone when it's in the financial interests of the most powerful elements of our global economy to stop them?

Is there not much greater motivation to try to discredit Anthropogenic Global Warming than to promote it? And isn't there likely to be greater resources available to discredit than to promote it?

 

I don't see how the extreme level of deforestation, 200 years of industrial waste and fossil fuels being burned and released into the atmosphere can not have some effect to our atmosphere and climate. It is silly to think that these actions are without any consequences - There must be some effect because the products being released are not part of any natural cycle (not at least on the scale and duration that humans are responsible for).

Personally I think climate change is being accelerated by man although we probably aren't the sole cause. Even if a person doesn't believe this to be true, it is one huge risk to take and decide to ignore the problem without fully understanding our part (if any), in climate change.

Action will resulted in cleaner air, cleaner water and will be largely responsible for some incredible technology. So even if it doesn't stop global warming, we all end up with a cleaner healthier world with spin-off technology that improves our lives.

Yes there is a cost to this, but to do nothing may come at a greater cost and as I said, it is a huge gamble to flip a coin and decide to do nothing simply because the science, politicians and those with extreme attitudes have not yet agreed conclusively.

I find it unfortunate the topic is now so aligned to political and religious agendas - Those who smear one another instead of weighing the facts and deciding what is best for the global community. It is now often used as a tool to discredit so personal aspirations can be executed.