Gun control and weapons control can be effective. When sub machine guns were outlawed people stopped owning them. The same can be said of switch blade knives.

 

Fair comment, but, Should a morbidly obese person receive subsidised healthcare for illnesses directly related to their weight?

 

It's better to keep your mouth shut and thought stupid, than to open your mouth and prove it!

 

The Catholic Church happily counts all people that are christened catholic as one of theirs, their numbers are hugely inflated by calling people that don't even believe in God as catholics. They use these fake high numbers to assert their dominance throughout the world, and this leads to controlling policy.

When the church ceases to claim "none church goers" and those that no longer believe in god, as one of them, then I will agree that Hitler is not a Christian. Because for a start, Hitler was born and raised catholic, and he undoubtedly believed in god and Jesus Christ right up until his death. his beliefs were also twisted with warped pagan ideas, the occult, and religious ideas associated with Nazism.

This is a dangerous path to walk though, there were other high ranking Nazi officials that were solely believers in Christianity. Also Hitler's birthday was celebrated by the church every year Hitler was in power right up until his death, Nazi Germany had an alliance with the church. And if it wasn't for the centuries of brown beating the Jews by the Catholic church, leading many Germans to think Jews were subhuman, the Nazi party would have never been able to build support and have the pre-Holocaust Jews confined to ghettos.

 

This is how it works over here.

 

I don't mean to give you short shift on this and admit I'm only skimming because of time constraints but at least let me show you where I'm going.

No now I'm at least going to argue that the reason we register and license cars is because they were the easiest things in the world to steal and they weren't even branded or earmarked. See before we had cars we registered brands so you could prove ownership of your livestock which was actually way harder to steal than a car.

The shooting range south of my house is named after my great aunt. I cannot tell you more than that because if you could look up the shooting records of my state you would know the town I live in.

And when I was running my newspaper in the 198o's they were still shooting .22s in the old gym until some kid deliberately shot the glass backboard out. Guess what things have changed.

By the way to you know those shooting galleries that lasted at least until the 1960's? They were still shooting 22 shorts until nut cases turned them on the employees or by standers.

Man you're the one who wanted the auto accident argument. I'm just pointing out that we actually try and do things about the carnage on our highways but you say we can't about the carnage at the hands of mad men with guns.

But those standards are not only constitutional, they are also necessary because you over look the fact that a car designed to do 300 MPH is not safe on the streets and highways. No headlights you know and prone to spinning out.

Same with tanks not safe on the street.

And I thought I brought that up here but if I didn't now that you mention machine guns, fully automatic, shooting clear up to .50 cal., with tens of thousands of them in private hands, how come we don't have any mass killings with them? In fact I can't remember a single one where a licensed owner of a machine gun ever killed anyone on purpose. (Although I can name at least one 8 year-old kid who did shooting one for his birthday present than came back and shot him in the head?

I'll tell you why because you may have a right to own one but they don't just sell them to any fool since the police got out gunned in the 1930's. There's a stringent and thorough licensing process that seems to work just fine.

 

USA! USA! USA!
Wheres AZRIEL when ya need em? We could use some hilarious pics to flood through here
I continue...
USA! USA! USA!
WOOO!! 'Merica!!

 

This as descended into a stupid argument that cars are unsafer than guns, with some stupid comments like above.
Stop dancing around the subject, guns are safe till they are picked up, then they become dangerous.

 

Ultra lib news network ABC = Always Be Crooked.....:lol:

Aurora Shooting: Another ABC News Report Disputed
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Another ABC News report on the tragic Aurora shooting has been disputed, TVSpy reported on Wednesday.
ABC News reported on Tuesday that sources said James Holmes, the 24-year-old shooting suspect, spit at jail officers "so frequently that at one point he was made to wear a face guard."
Denver ABC-affiliate KMGH later disputed the report. The station's investigative reporter, John Ferrugia, tweeted that "knowledgable" law enforcement sources he reached out to called the report "simply b.s."
The story that appeared on the affiliate's website called out the original report, but did not mention ABC News by name. The original ABC News story now has an editor's note attached.
This is the third reporting hiccup for ABC News since the Aurora shooting. During the network's breaking news coverage of the shooting on Friday, investigative correspondent Brian Ross incorrectly suggested that the shooting suspect was linked to the Tea Party. The network apologized for Ross' blunder.
On Monday, Holmes' mother said that an ABC News report from Friday mischaracterized her conversation with a producer. In the hours immediately following the shooting, ABC News reported that they reached Holmes' mother and said that she told the network, "You have the right person," referring to her son. Holmes' mother clarified her statement and said that she was "referring to herself." ABC News stood by its original report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...port-disputed_n_1703727.html?utm_hp_ref=media

 

http://www.propublica.org/article/the-best-reporting-on-guns-in-america

Some interesting information.

 

I am also a gun owner NO I DON'T OWN 400 GUNS but I have more than my share. I shoot around 9000 rounds a year and reload my ammo I keep that much on hand at all times. It is not uncommon to have that much ammunition when you shoot alot.IF YOU PLAY GOLF HOW MANY GOLF BALLS DO YOU HAVE?

 

Comparing golf with owning a mass arsenal of weapons and ammo :excited:
I mean, come on get real. You can't compare the two in fact you can't compare stockpiling 400 weapons and 100,000 rounds of ammo with anything else really.



I don't play golf but I doubt there is a single golfer who has 400 sets of clubs and 100,000 golf balls stocked up.

I also notice that there hasn't been an answer from anybody yet on "why the NEED".

 

Why do people need to play golf? When you can justify the "need" for that and a huge number of other "needs" you and others claim to have they you will have the answer to your question of "why the need."

And as for compairing the "need" for a stockpile of guns and or ammo...why the "need" for an automobile that can travel faster than 21 miles per hour? Thats the threshold speed at which serious injurys start becoming common. And cars kill many times more people and seriously injure millions of people in the U.S. alone.

 

What the bunker dwellers must realise that when your stood in front of a MBT or an AFV your rifle is much like hitting a mountain with a fly swat and expecting it to fall. Coupled with good arty and air support the average bunker will not last long or will be rendered useless.

But I have no desire to see the 2nd amendment repealed, I just wish that people would be responsible with their weapons, a few idiots can ruin all the fun for the rest of you.

 

We have no needs past food, warmth and shelter, after that it is all luxury or a means of getting food, chilling it and transporting it fastly and safely.

 

I've already said I don't play golf. So I don't have any need to play it.
I haven't claimed to have a huge number of other NEEDS either.
Nor would I think any golfer NEEDS to play golf, they probably play it for enjoyment, money, health benefits and other such reasons.

Why don't you try reading my questions once more and seeing what exactly I'm asking. It might help a little bit.

 

So...as usual (and as I suspected with all my being the whole time) its starting to come out that thie shooter in the Colorado case was known to be unstable.

http://news.yahoo.com/james-holmes-...ing-plans-214646645--abc-news-topstories.html

The school is "insisting" that they did everything right. When are we going to have laws that require school administartors and counselors to notify authorities when mentaly ill people seek help just to insure that they arent given easy access to firearms?

In almost every single mass shooting the U.S. has seen the shooters were known to either parents or counselors or doctors to be unstable and potentialy dangerous but there was never a mechanism for reporting that to authorities to insure restricted access to weapons. All that so liberals can say they are protecting somebodys feelings. We wouldnt want them to be denied access to assault rifles and suffer low self esteem as a result, would we?

 

The bunker dwellers realize all too well Richie. What they are most concerned about is mobs of unruly welfare recipients whos checks didnt come in the mail and now they are out for blood.

In the Rodney King riots there was a sliver of civilization in the middle of the riot zone that belonged to a group of Korean business owners who used their cars to baracade the streets and fired handguns directly into the crowd as it approached their businesses. The result was many thousands of people deciding they had other places to be. It was even captured on CNN live. I have to say I realy have a lot of respect for those businessmen.

 

I think your Bill of Rights stops the school authorities reporting said unstable person, doctors can how ever report anyone they think is a danger to others or theirselves, but it appears from posts I have seen you do not have a successful Mental Health Act nor the means to treat people against their will until they have committed a crime.

 

The bill of rights is silent on the issue but we have medical privacy laws that have been passed over the last couple decades that prevent doctors, counselors, nurses, interns, technicians, janitors and parking attendants from discussing medical or mental health issues without a direct order from the courts. The police are even forbidden from obtaining these records without a court order. Not that a court order is hard to get following something like this, but its still after the fact.

Once upon a time in the U.S. it was possible to have people involuntariliy commited but the rules were vague and frequently missused. As a result the laws changed to make it nearly impossible for anyone close to a person suffering from profound mental illness to do anything except sit and watch until the person melted down to the point that crimes were being commited. Even if you prove to be a serious threat to yourself they can only hold you for a limited periods of time befor they must let you go and hope it turns out alright.