And in Chicago, a man was stabbed outside of Lolapalooza.................so if not a gun, a knife. Can't we all just get along?

 

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for those that posed that the firearms are the issue or that the lack of mental health care or propper reporting are the issues in gun control

the idiot at the temple in wisconsin had several arrests for alchoholic related crimes and was booted from the military due to entoxication while on duty
he also was a member oh a know "hate music" band
so how did he purchase a firearm legaly?
also to add he was a known white-supremicist

now onto holmes
his skull jockey did report worries to the university police and nothing was done

The psychiatrist who treated suspected movie-theater shooter James Holmes made contact with a University of Colorado police officer to express concerns about her patient's behavior several weeks before Holmes' alleged rampage, sources told ABC News.
The sources did not know what the officer approached by Dr. Lynne Fenton did with the information she passed along. They said, however, that the officer was recently interviewed, with an attorney present, by the Aurora Police Department as a part of the ongoing investigation of the shooting.
Fenton would have had to have serious concerns to break confidentiality with her patient to reach out to the police officer or others, the sources said. Under Colorado law, a psychiatrist can legally breach a pledge of confidentiality with a patient if he or she becomes aware of a serious and imminent threat that their patient might cause harm to others. Psychiatrists can also breach confidentiality if a court has ordered them to do so.
"For any physician to break doctor-patient confidentiality there would have to be an extremely good reason," said Dr. Carol Bernstein, Dr. Carol Bernstein, a psychiatrist at NYU Langone Medical Center and past president of the American Psychiatric Association.
Bernstein has no specific knowledge of the Holmes case and spoke in general terms.
"Confidentiality is a key part of the doctor-patient relationship," she said. "It is central to everything we do."
ABC news and affiliate KMGH-TV in Denver first reported Wednesday that Fenton had contacted other members of the university's threat-assessment team about her concerns. The university-wide, threat-assessment team reportedly never met to discuss Holmes after he announced his intent to withdraw from the University nearly six weeks before the July 20 shooting that left 12 dead and 58 injured.
University of Colorado spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery declined to comment on what, if anything, the university police officer might have done with information provided by Fenton, citing a court-issued gag order preventing her from confirming or denying any information related to Fenton or the investigation.
In a written statement to ABC News, however, the university said campus police officers are "frequently involved" in meetings of the university's Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment (BETA) team.
The statement went on to say that police involvement with threat assessment "could include security matters, badge access, background checks, wellness checks, criminal investigations and referrals and outreach to other law enforcement agencies."

i would think that when a psychiatrist breaks confidentialy it should raise flags and warrant a call to the local cops

 

Look even if the guy was on a federal terrorist watch list the NRA and conservative/Republican/Tea Party is insisting he still be able to buy guns.

 

not sure if theres a like button up in here, so, like

 

Now if you want to see the gun nuts freak out I'll bet this will do it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/08/07/page-holmes-used-semiautomatic-handgun.html

 

something to think over

Ya every wonder why most of these mass killing take place in Gun Free Zones. make me wonder what the killers are afraid if . Thank a bout it

 

Ever notice that semi automatic weapons with high capacity clips kill more people than other rifles and pistols? Think about it.

 

Seung-Hui Cho killed 30+ people and injured several others. He used a 9mm Glock 19 and a Walther P22, with a backpack full of 10 round magazines


I believe this was the deadliest shooting incident by a single gunman in U.S. history ?Essentially, it doesn't really matter what weapons you use if you have a plan.

 

There is a system in place to force people who need help to get it, but many people don't know how. You go to the county mental health facility and fill out paperwork and tell them why you think the person is a danger to themselves or others. If they agree they will get you to get the person somewhere where they can pick them up safely. They'll be held under observation for 72 hours. After that, if they think the person needs to stay under their care they'll go before a judge. The person has a right to an attorney of course. How do I know this? I had to do it with my father. I think people either don't know they can do this or they can't bring themselves to do it. It's really really hard.

As for laws keeping mentally ill people from getting guns, talk to the NRA. They fight ANY kind of gun control.

 

You have a point.

How many killings have we had since then?

But you do make a great case for the Brady bunch which is something I'd kind of like to avoid even though I don't own a semi automatic myself.

So how about something in between. Something a little more common sense.

Look this is just from personal experience. But one thing my extended family could do is get a family member slapped into a mental institution faster than a law enforcement officer could throw you in jail. Except you never got your day in court.

I think the idea of expanding an entire network capable of handling every possible threat (since about 75% or more will be false) and taking government action based on subjective impressions is more frightening than staring down the barrel of a gun.

The idea that people who claim the believe in "freedom" wanting to expand the number of people who can report you, investigate you, and automatically take away not only your right to buy a gun but to even posses them (as in showing up at your house to forceably remove every firearm in the house) just goes to show how ignorant and stupid (two different things) they really are.

 

I'm with Tackleberry on this subject. Stamp out all who oppose guns and blow the survivors heads off with a Colt Python >

 

If you take guns away from everyone the "bad" people are still going to get them the majority of people who kill people with guns do not obtain their guns legally yes the CO incident is tragic but if some "good" citizens in that theater had guns they could have killed that man right away. He could have walked in there and blew the place up with a bomb and then would you blame the people who sold him normal items that he turned into something bad. No you wouldn't. Bad people do bad things! That man wanted to kill people and he would have done it regardless. I support having guns for protection, hunting, etc. Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

 

There needs to be a better way to report those that need mental help, that are a danger to them selves and others. If the system was more accessible, things like this could be avoided.

As far as banning guns? It won't work. There will always be some kind of weapon that will cause destruction, and most are FAR worse than a gun.

Take McVeigh for example. He used 500 pounds of an Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil Mix and detonated it with stole blasting caps. 168 killed, several hundred injured.

It doesn't matter what a person uses, if the will to kill innocent people is there, there is little to stop them.

 

and people with guns kill the most people.

 

earlier today a man was arrested entering a theater to attend a screening of the new batman movie
alert employees noticed a "suspicious bag" the man was carrying
the police were called and found the man in possesion of a handgun and several knives that he claimed to be for self defense due to the prior violence at the theater in colorado

last i knew he was still in custody

and i do not agree with the nra that those involved with possible hate groups or terror groups should be allowed to purchase, posses, or be in proximity to any form of firearm

 

I'm reading rumors the guy didn't even have a CCL. So not only did he fuck up, he did it in such a way his anus will never be the same again.

 

Why doesn't stuff like this end up all over the news?
http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07...es-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/

 

it was all over the news down here
1 nut case tired of dogshit in his lot killed people and then got killed
the firearm did not kill anyone

and the state of wisconsin does not have a concealed carry law


maybe the focus should be less on control and more on enforcement of the existing laws
begin requiring id for anyone that purchases ammunition and reloading supplies
any person that is on any watch list should be disallowed to purchase any firearms and disallowed to sell or transfer firearms

 

150+ yards with a pistol is a hell of a lucky shot I was a pistol expert in the Marines and I wouldn't have even tried the shot.