Wow. This I didn't know.

 

Im supprised you dont recognize hyperbole when you see it since you use it enough. "Banning all guns" however is a stated goal of a number of gun control groups, their leaders and their members ( I know a few of these folks) is to eliminate the private ownership of firearms...PERIOD. They make no bones about it. Sarah Brady has said it many times...you know her...the mother of the Brady foundation to end gun violence. Her husband was shot in the head with a .22 revolver by the guy who tried to assasinate president Reagan. Publicly, these groups always temper their language to prevent the ailienation of those who support guns but want to see common sense restrictions placed on them.Most of the memebers of these groups are relatively sensable...many in leadership have another agenda. And its not all groups either. There are approximately forty such gun control groups at the national level and a few on the international level. Some of them are only state groups. Many are reasonable but the largest and most successful of them has several times stated that all guns must be eliminated. (thats the brady group.)


As for the system of identifying the mentaly ill...do you want that in PDF format? Its only six thousand five hundred and eight pages and was complied by a crack team of mental health professionals, legal experts and advocates for the mentaly ill.

In other words, get a clue. I have already stated in at least two and I acualy suspect three other posts that...and its important to read it this time...PARENTS, COUNSELORS, PSYCHIATRISTS, GENERAL PHYSICIANS and LAW ENFORCEMENT need to have the ability to file a report with somebody...I dont realy give a crap who but somebody need to be available to recieve reports from people deemed able to make such a report. You ask if just anybody should be allowed to report someone and I stated already at least once and probably twice NO. Pay attention. PARENTS, COUNSELORS, PSYCHIATRISTS, GENERAL PHYSICIANS and LAW ENFORCEMENT. How it gets done and all the neat little details and whatnot arent for you or me or any of the other folks on this forum to figutre out because as my earlier sarcastic remark indicated, there are HUGE...and I mean FUCKING HUGE organizations within the government that exists soley to hammer out the details of something like this. They already have a system in place for reporting fellons nationaly...build on that. We arent talking about arresting anyone here or throwing tham in a padded cell. We are just talking about a notation on their ID that prevents them from buying a gun or ammunition from a gun store. Reasonable people would regard that as a good thing.

And why? Why would we want such a thing in place? Why not just let the whackos get guns and slaughter people at will? Thats a good thing isnt it?

No...its not. Andf the simple reason I am so convinced that something like this needs to exist is that in every single case....100% of the cases of mass shootings...thats all of them...there was ample evidence to indicate well in advance that these people should not have been given access to a firearm. I dont care of the gun holds one bullet or ten thousand. In almost every case they had parents who were very concerned regarding the mental state of their children but because the mental health care system is so monumentaly fucked up in this country the were unable to get help and were unable to find anyone who gave a fuck if their child tried to flap his arms and fly to the moon or not. Simply having the ability to state that their son shouldnt have a gun could have prevented ever single case of mass shootings in the last fifteen years except Columbine.

And with a system more akin to the class three firearms system in place even Columbine wouldnt have happened. As previously stated in this and a number of other threads, The Federal Firearms license known as the class three firearms license is used by people who wish to own a variety of firearms no generaly allowed under civilian restrictions such as machine guns, greande launchers, antiaircraft cannons, antitank guns, howitzers, sawed off shotguns and a host of other weapons known as "AOW'" or any other weapon. Since the act was established in 1934, federaly registered weapons have been used in only a handful of crimes. Again, as I have ststed befor more than once, of the machineguns currently in the U.S., only half of them are in the hands of the military, federal agencies or law enforcement. The rest are in the hands of regular citizens. This has allowed weapons that most people would think of as being extremely dangerous...far more so than any other civilian legal firearm to be owned and used by legaly registerd users without significant incident. hats the goal isnt it? To stop serious crimes? isnt that your goal? Its mine. So lets figure out a way to stop the major crimes while not stomping all over peoples rights and fun in the process.

 

I addressed most of this in the last post but lost track of things when my phone rang. As for the alternative to cars...there is one. When you consider tha staggering amounts of money we plunge onto cars...purchase price, insurance, maintainence, fuel, environmental damage, infrastucture constuction and maintainence, lost time, medical expenses, and then add in the amount of money we already spend on mass transit, there would be no reason you wouldnt be able to catch a bus to your mailbox from your livingroom at any time of the day and even catch a bus back into your house. Never mind the sheer volume of jobs this would create in the transportation industry. Certain businesses could be granted waivers to use private vehicles for transporting tools and equipment but the average commuter has absolutly no reason to own a car other than they want to. I spent six years without a car and frankly....dint realy miss it that much. My sister didnt get her drivers license until she turned thirty eight years old when she decided to open her own catering business and needed to be able to transport food and other supplies and equipment. Her college room mate still doesnt have a car and she is in her sixties. They have both advocated that we are way to dependant on cars since the early 1970s, as have a number of other people they know. Mind you, they arent hippies that live off the land and wear home made hemp clothes. My sisters former room mate works for a regional bank as an executive and makes a very comfortable six figure salary...and still rides the bus. Imagine how much better it would be if the transit system were expanded. You could reasonably travel cross country for the cost of a bus pass.

As for what we require of car owners...it IS required under the federal firearms act. Thats the whole point. Licensing, registration, tracking etc...its all there. Require it for all guns and then let it stand. And your example of what we require to make cars safer only serves to prove my point even further. In spite of everything we have done to try to minimize highway deaths, the number of people killed or maimed every year is still shocking. All the more reason to conclude that the average person shouldnt be allowed to drive. And cars werent designed to kill...they were meant to transport. Guns were designed to kill We have just learned to accept the risks posed by cars.

 

currently the work in biometrics has included firearms
such as fingerprint identification triggers
they are working on so called smart guns that will not allow anyone other than the specified owner to fire the weapon and even that must be dealer set

 

I don't like the idea of a smart gun. Alot of equipment already takes all the hard learned skill out of marksmanship. But I don't like smart engines either and I work on them and own them. So who knows.

 

actualy the idea of biometrics in firearms isnt too bad of an idea
look at from the view of "what happens if............."
i have biometric locks on my safes, doors, cars, everything i want to be safe
but a redundant system is still needed to be in place because any system can and will fail

and i am writting a list of the changes to the current "gun" laws that just might be acceptable by all sides except the nra(national retards association)

 

I see the advantages of it and one of my safes has a biometric lock it's by my bed I store my Delta Elite 10mm there. But I'm a bit old fashioned and keep most of my firearms behind a 6,000lb blast door in a bunker under my basement. It used to be a 3,000lb door but I wanted more protection.

 

I'm just so carefull with my guns that I don't like the idea of having a micro chip on them.

 

but looking more to the control of sales the chips make sense
if you have to go through a licensed dealer to get it to work alot of stupid people would not have them
i dont like gunshows or private deals because there are no required background checks
also make the sellers be responsible for making sure that each and every firearm sold is properly registered to the purchacer

hell i own a firearms retail store and still think some of the laws are a bit too lenient
if you buy a firearm you are responsible for every round that passes through it
i do not sell to anyone that cannot provide a current concealed carry liscense or a valid hunters safety course certificate
i advise everyone to take the safety courses every 2 years
i will not sell ammo to anyone without a valid photo id, or that has purchased a firearm in the past 24 hours

i will not sell more than 1 firearm per person per week
and even at that that is only if i know you if not then its in the last month

unless someone can prove that they are a competitive shooter they cannot purchase in excess of 50 rounds of the same caliber or compatible calibers in a 1 week period

i am strict on my poicies but then agian i have never had any of my customers go on a killing spree

 

Good policey. I usualy bring my DL and C&R 03 when buying a gun or ammo. My military ID used to open a lot of doors too. I teach hunters saftey.

 

Do you even own any firearms?

 

cs do you need for me to list them

 

Anyone can make a list.

 

I'd hate to break it to you, but you're not exactly that young yourself, and you can barely construct a sentence. I don't know how you've made it to your forties without that basic skill. What's really puzzling is what sort of employment doesn't require basic communication skills, assuming you have employment.

 

Whatever you need to tell yourself....

 

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My guns certainly are not out of control. I keep close tabs on them. The Anti-gun shit is old and needs to stop. It is illogical, foolish, ignorant and naive.