Is Donald Trump Mentally Ill?

Trev1 · Sep 28, 2017

stumbler · Oct 1, 2017

The Many Danger Signs
— Dr. James Gilligan

Psychiatrists in America today have been told that they have two diametrically opposite professional obligations, and that if they violate either one, they are behaving unethically. The first says they have an obligation to remain silent about their evaluation of anyone if that person has not given them permission to speak about it publicly. The second says they have an obligation to speak out and inform others if they believe that person may be dangerous to them, even if he has not given them permission to do so. From both an ethical and a legal standpoint, the second of those two trumps the first.

The issue here is not whether President Donald Trump is mentally ill. It is whether he is dangerous. Dangerousness is not a psychiatric diagnosis. One does not have to be “mentally ill” in order to be dangerous. Trump may or may not meet the criteria for any of the diagnoses of mental disorders defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, or for many of them, but that is not relevant to the issue we are raising here.

The most reliable data for assessing dangerousness often do not require interviewing the individuals about whom we are forming an opinion. The most reliable data may come from the person’s family and friends and, just as important, from police reports, criminal histories, and medical, prison and judicial records, as well as other publicly available information from third parties. In Trump’s case, we also have many public records, tape recordings and videotapes, as well as his own public speeches, interviews and tweets of his numerous threats of violence, incitements to violence and boasts of violence that he himself acknowledges having committed repeatedly and habitually.

Sometimes, a person’s dangerousness is so obvious that one does not need professional training in either psychiatry or criminology to recognize it. One does not need to have had 50 years of professional experience in assessing the dangerousness of violent criminals to recognize the dangerousness of a president who:

Asks what the point of having thermonuclear weapons is if we cannot use them. For example, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough reported that Trump had asked a foreign policy adviser three times, “If we have them, why can’t we use them?”

Urges our government to use torture or worse against our prisoners of war. Throughout his presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly said “torture works,” and promised to bring back “waterboarding” and to introduce new methods “that go a lot further.”

Urged that five innocent African-American youths be given the death penalty for a sexual assault years after it had been proved beyond a reasonable doubt to have been committed by someone else.

Boasts about his ability to get away with sexually assaulting women because of his celebrity and power. Trump was recorded saying, of his way of relating to women, that “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet…. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

Urges his followers at political rallies to punch protesters in the face and beat them up so badly that they have to be taken out on stretchers. In an editorial, The New York Times has quoted the following remarks by Trump at his rallies: “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell you”; “I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks”; “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK? Just knock the hell... I will pay for the legal fees, I promise you.”

Suggests that his followers could always assassinate his political rival, Hillary Clinton, if she were elected president or, at the very least, throw her in prison.

And so on, in an endless stream of threats of violence, boasts of violence and incitements to violence.

If psychiatrists with decades of experience doing research on violent offenders do not confirm the validity of the conclusion that many nonpsychiatrists have reached, that Trump is extremely dangerous—indeed, by far the most dangerous of any president in our lifetimes—then we are not behaving with appropriate professional restraint and discipline.

However, while all psychiatrists, by definition, have studied mental illness, most have not specialized in studying the causes, consequences, prediction and prevention of violence. That is why it is so important for those few of us who have done so to warn the potential victims, in the interests of public health, when we identify signs and symptoms that indicate that someone is dangerous to the public health. We need to recognize the earliest signs of danger before they have expanded into a full-scale epidemic of lethal or life-threatening injury. If we are silent about the numerous ways in which Trump has repeatedly threatened violence, incited violence or boasted about his own violence, we are passively supporting and enabling the dangerous and naïve mistake of treating him as if he were a “normal” president or a “normal” political leader. He is not, and it is our duty to say so.
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Dr. James Gilligan is clinical professor of psychiatry and adjunct professor of law at New York University. He is a renowned violence studies expert and has served as director of mental health services for the Massachusetts prisons and prison mental hospital, president of the International Association for Forensic Psychotherapy, and as a consultant to President Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Kofi Annan, the World Court, the World Health Organization and the World Economic Forum.

stumbler · Oct 1, 2017

Petition Declaring Trump Mentally Ill Pushes for Signers
Mental health group gathers signatures calling Trump "psychologically incapable"
Posted Aug 07, 2017

The group "Duty to Warn," founded by influential psychotherapist Dr. John Gartner, has gathered nearly 60,000 signatures on a petition calling for the removal of Donald Trump from office due to "serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States." The group hopes to reach its goal of 75,000 signatures before planned multi-city town hall meetings on October 14.

The petition takes place in the context of mental health organizations struggling to clarify their positions on the ethics of their members publicly commenting on the mental health of public officials.

Historically, the "Goldwater Rule," as it became known, refers to a rule from the American Psychiatric Association's Principles of Medical Ethics forbidding its members to comment on the mental health of public figures. Recently, the American Psychoanalytic Association issued a statement saying that its members should feel free to comment on public figures' mental health, but should refrain from offering official diagnosis. A news article misreported this statement as originating from the American Psychiatric Association (from which the Goldwater Rule originated), prompting the organization to issue a statement titled "APA Reaffirms Support for Goldwater Rule".

This in turn led to a statement from American Psychological Association President, Susan H. McDaniel, in which she wrote, "our ethical code states that psychologists should not offer a diagnosis in the media of a living public figure they have not examined."

Against this background of many organizations, all with the acronym "APA," drawing different lines for their members' ability to "comment on" and/or "diagnose" public figures, these same organizations have versions of rules allowing members to disclose confidential patient information when withholding this information would put people at risk. For example, the American Psychological Association Ethical Standard 4.05 writes that "Psychologists disclose confidential information without the consent of the individual only as mandated by law, or where permitted by law for a valid purpose such as to... protect the client/patient, psychologist, or others from harm."

This is a psychologist's duty to warn—most will have heard of this rule in the context of mandatory reporting of child abuse. Now the organization Duty to Warn applies this same logic to commenting on the mental health of Donald Trump, with its Facebook page writing that "Donald Trump is too seriously mentally ill to competently discharge his duties as president and must be removed according to the 25th Amendment." The group and its petition have reached the public ear in such spaces as the Daily Kos, USA Today, New York Magazine, Salon.com, and many more.

Now the group is making a push for signatures before multi-city town hall events, scheduled for October 14, 2017 in Atlanta, Chapel Hill, Charlotte, Chattanooga, Chicago, D.C., Los Angeles, New York, Phoenix, and San Francisco (with additional cities possibly added).

The petition in its succinct entirety reads as follows:

We, the undersigned mental health professionals (please state your degree), believe in our professional judgment that Donald Trump manifests a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States. And we respectfully request he be removed from office, according to article 4 of the 25th amendment to the Constitution, which states that the president will be replaced if he is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.

Editor's Note: The original headline of this article, "60,000 Psychologists Say Trump Has 'Serious Mental Illness,'" has been updated.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...n-declaring-trump-mentally-ill-pushes-signers

justpassingthru · Oct 1, 2017

Maybe Trump just needs a good hot bowl of chicken soup, that fixes everything doesn't it !!!

Put it this way Trump WILL NOT be in the White House by this time next year ...

stumbler · Oct 1, 2017

justpassingthru said: ↑

Maybe Trump just needs a good hot bowl of chicken soup, that fixes everything doesn't it !!!

Put it this way Trump WILL NOT be in the White House by this time next year ...
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Well actually what the mental healthcare professionals are saying is that Trump needs to undergo a full mental evaluation because he is a danger to himself and others. And in Trump's case the "others" actually include the entire world

justpassingthru · Oct 1, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

Well actually what the mental healthcare professionals are saying is that Trump needs to undergo a full mental evaluation because he is a danger to himself and others. And in Trump's case the "others" actually include the entire world
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Maybe he can have Dr Seuss do it ???

stumbler · Oct 18, 2017

Trumps mental illness is once again on glarring display for the whole nation to see today. He is lying about his conversation with a Gold Star widow but can't stop.

shootersa · Oct 19, 2017

So it's Wednesday.
Which means today is "Spew Trump is mentally ill" day.
Find something. Anything. Or make it up.
Then quote it as evidence of Trump's mental illness.
Tilt on.

RandyKnight · Oct 19, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

Trumps mental illness is once again on glarring display for the whole nation to see today. He is lying about his conversation with a Gold Star widow but can't stop.
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CNN running out of stories
Russia gone
Las Vegas gone
Weinstein gone

Those stories are either dead or cant be covered due to blatant corruption and lies.

They are now on to demanding answers for dead soldiers and representing families called or not called by Trump.

CNN couldn't report their way out of a wet paper bag.

stumbler · Oct 19, 2017

More mental health professionals and Republicans sounding the alarms today.

RandyKnight · Oct 19, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

More mental health professionals and Republicans sounding the alarms today.
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who----

corker?---McCain?

stumbler · Oct 19, 2017

RandyKnight said: ↑

who----

corker?---McCain?
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And a bunch of others speaking off the record but willing to admit they are conserned. Some reports are they are just trying to get their tax cuts through and then they will act.

RandyKnight · Oct 19, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

And a bunch of others speaking off the record but willing to admit they are conserned. Some reports are they are just trying to get their tax cuts through and then they will act.
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who...?

you are always he said they said ---never a name or a source.....

might as well go back to complaining about katsup on steak.....

shootersa · Oct 19, 2017

Cmon Randy. This is Thursday.
Today we're supposed to be talking about Trump's Russian thingy, not his mental illness. Yesterday was when we talked about his mental illness.
Let Stumbler get back on track, would you?

Trev1 · Oct 20, 2017

freethinker · Oct 20, 2017

shootersa · Oct 20, 2017

It's sad that the arrogant elite leftists have sunk so low as to make a war veteran widow's time of grief a political issue just for another opportunity to attack Trump.

No matter.
2018 approaches.

msman · Oct 20, 2017

General Kelly took serious issue with reporters buying Congresswoman Wilson’s story that the President had disrespectfully addressed the widow of a fallen soldier. General Kelly explained that the President was not being disrespectful, but was trying to relay to the widow what General Kelly had relayed to the President. The soldier knew the risks and was doing the job he loved, but it did not make it any easier losing him.

It should not be a controversial statement and is not a disrespectful statement, but in understandably raw emotions, a congresswoman used it to politicize the death.

Kelly is right and the reporters are wrong. Naturally, instead of any introspection, the reporters are attacking General Kelly now

Trev1 · Oct 21, 2017

msman said: ↑

General Kelly took serious issue with reporters buying Congresswoman Wilson’s story that the President had disrespectfully addressed the widow of a fallen soldier. General Kelly explained that the President was not being disrespectful, but was trying to relay to the widow what General Kelly had relayed to the President. The soldier knew the risks and was doing the job he loved, but it did not make it any easier losing him.

It should not be a controversial statement and is not a disrespectful statement, but in understandably raw emotions, a congresswoman used it to politicize the death.

Kelly is right and the reporters are wrong. Naturally, instead of any introspection, the reporters are attacking General Kelly now
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Maybe it is because Kelly lied:

"Twice this week the White House accused Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.) of lying and each time the facts have vindicated her version of events.

Most recently, evidence emerged disproving an accusation by White House Chief of Staff John Kelly that Wilson had gloated over securing funds for an FBI building in her district.

Earlier this week, Wilson escalated a political firestorm over President Donald Trump’s response to the deaths of four American military service members in Niger.

After bragging of his willingness to call the families of fallen troops, Trump spoke with the loved ones of the most recent casualties, including Myeshia Johnson, the widow of Army Sgt. La David Johnson, and a constituent of Wilson’s.

Wilson, who was with Johnson when Trump called and heard the conversation on speakerphone, said Tuesday that Trump had told Johnson that her husband “must’ve known what he signed up for.” The comments during a condolence call, Wilson said, showed that Trump has “no feelings for anyone.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr... MORE&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__Politics__102017

JimmyCrackPorn · Oct 21, 2017

freethinker said: ↑

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Yep, she said it herself.

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