If they can afford it. Millions of Americans cannot afford the basics. In Canada the basics are taken care of.

 

my thought also, no insurance, and no government interference would be the biggest two problems to eliminate. Thousands of useless government and insurance employees getting a substantial paycheck for finding ways to NOT pay for a claim could be eliminated and billions upon billions of dollars could actually pay for treatment instead of making useless blood suckers filthy rich

 

the government grants student loans for a reason and should use that idea to its fullest
in more rural areas low income medical students used to be given the option of ...we pay the loan off if you come work in our town for 5 years....at a cost of living and no more

the old TV show northern expaosure was based on the concept and was mutualy beneficial

also petty criminals used to be allowed to serve in the military instead of jail and worked quite well and mutualy beneficial
old world armies and even the native tribes used condemned prisoners as soldiers...if they survived they were retried

 

People from all over the world come to America, if they can, for medical. And the entire world uses our medical advances. But all of that is going to change.

Above DL shows us that Canada has a better system by trotting out another popularity poll. I am going the RandyKnight route on this one and just opting to harass DL for being an insufferable doofus. Time and time again I have told him that popularity polls do not prove that socialism works. Popularity polls prove that leeches want free stuff. That is what they prove. That brats love Santa Claus. That is ALL they prove.


Above DL also asks me what I would do as an alternative to wiping 9% of US GDP off the map and nationalizing an entire industry by creating a giant socialist ministry to be run by the same government that can't fix bridges and potholes.

Here are a few things I would do instead:

1. For a bill with the gravity and far reaching effects of Obamacare, prohibit riders and spurious attachments from bloating the thing. Let it stand on its own, with no bribery and no graft on an up and down vote.

2. I would have paid closer scrutiny to state systems that are not working. Examples: socialized medicine in Massachusetts, which is bankrupting the state. Another example: New York, which did away with pre-existing conditions years ago and consequently has astronomical rates and the lowest individual participation rate in the nation (and possibly the entire industrialized world, though I'd have to check). It is no coincidence that Obama uses New York State as the example whenever he tells us how much money Obamacare is going to save!

3. Require the legislature to read the fucking bill before voting on it.

4. Consider the proponents. The biggest cheerleaders? Hospitals. Why? BECAUSE IN OUR SYSTEM, ANYONE CAN GET HEALTHCARE BY WALKING INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. Hospitals needed relief from that suicidal policy. So they cheered the loudest for socialized medicine. They wanted their cost center subsidized, so they could recoup the costs of outpatient care on the government's dime.

5. That said, what would I have done differently? Almost anything would have been better. It would have been cheaper and less ruinous to simply enact a law requiring the government to subsidize emergency room at taxpayer expense.

Instead, a bloated, unworkable bill dismantles an entire industry and makes it impossible for health insurance providers to stay solvent.

And that gets to Obamacare's ultimate motive: to fully socialize healthcare in America. Obama knew he couldn't pass a single provider system, so his law is effectively creating one by fiat, by destroying the private healthcare industry. The same way he is destroying the oil industry, the coal industry, the mortgage industry, the banking industry, the securities and exchange industries, the space industry, the military...

sheesh.

Let it happen, I say. Let it happen.

 

What political opinion polls indicate is that history is moving in directions you dislike. To accelerate the movement I would like for you to become a speech writer for Republican politicians. You and they think the same way. I wish the voters had a clearer idea of the contempt the leaders of the GOP feel for most of them.

I particularly want lower income white Republicans who are dependent on government spending programs to be told again and again by the Republican politicians who buy campaign speeches from you that the leaders of the GOP think they are leeches and brats who want free stuff and love Santa Claus.

Mitt Romney's comment about the 47 percent may have cost him the election. That is the way rich Republicans talk to each other when they think no one else is listening. I want more candor from those people.

The Republican Party did not come to dominate the United States because of economic issues but because of social issues. White blue collar workers came to distrust the Democrats on crime. Christian conservatives came to distrust the Democrats on religion. Rich Republicans benefited from this alienation, but lower income whites were not motivated by a desire to benefit rich Republicans.

 

Health Care Spending in the United States & Selected OECD Countries

The Henry Kaiser Family Foundation Apr 12, 2011

Health spending is rising faster than incomes in most developed countries, which raises questions about how countries will pay for their future health care needs. The issue is particularly acute in the United States, which not only spends much more per capita on health care, but also has had one of the highest spending growth rates...

This paper uses information from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)1 to compare the level and growth rate of health care spending in the United States to those of other OECD countries...

Despite this relatively high level of spending, the U.S. does not appear to provide substantially greater health resources to its citizens,7 or achieve substantially better health benchmarks, compared to other developed countries.
http://kff.org/health-costs/issue-b...in-the-united-states-selected-oecd-countries/

 

Bogus distortions. Erroneous to compare the United States with countries that tightly control their borders.

 

Ad hominem.

 

The money obama has wasted on vacations could have paid for my healthcare and all other living expenses for life, along with thousands of other people. This whole bit about making healthcare affordable so everyone has it is bullshit. From early calculations it looks like my costs are going to triple and still won't have any coverage

 

HEALTH COSTS THRU THE ROOF

The elephant in the room is/are the insurance companies, who are making fortunes in profits and high overhead from money that should have been paid in for healthcare. Add to that the privatization of hospitals by hospital corporations. I see no solution possible until this entire structure collapses or we have a revolution. (Now the FBI will come to interrogate me!) Free speech in the US no longer exists.

The profit needs to be taken out of medicine.
In Russia, all healthcare is no charge, but there are no profiteering insurance companies involved.

OMG does that make me a communist too?

 

That is a legitimate issue, but countries with single payer health plans are opening their borders to blacks and Muslims.

 

According to clarise it does, and probably a leecher and a taker as well.

 

Presidential Vacations

Calls to several Presidential libraries reveal that President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history...

Some claim the cost of Bush’s frequent trips to Crawford, Texas cost taxpayers upwards of $20 million...

Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his 8 year presidency. Bush spent 487 days at Camp David during his presidency and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas ranch, a total of 977 days...

When you add the days President Bush spent at Kennebunkport, Maine, he spent a total of 1,020 days away from the White House — close to 3 years...

President Obama has been on vacation 78 days from 2009 to 2011.
http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/

 

Perhaps, but it is a legitimate point to make. Calling me a racist does not disprove what I say about blacks.

Me saying that you and the leaders of the GOP feel contempt for the majority of Americans who benefit from government domestic spending programs reveals a significant political vulnerability.

Since 1980 Republicans have been dishonest about taxing and spending. They say they are against "big government," but it is not possible to cut domestic spending without cutting programs most Republicans voters, and the vast majority of the entire electorate, will insist on preserving.

Please get a job writing campaign speeches for Republican politicians. I want lower income white Republicans to learn what the leaders of the GOP think of them.

 

How does a high percentage of immigrants increase per capita health costs?

 

Have you ever walked into an Emergency room in the USA? I am guessing not but have you ever there are plaques on the wall stating they must treat you reguardless if your insured or your ability to pay .. I am pretty sure there is a law about that.

those costs are still added up ...

 

Ok if you add the two criminals together, bush and obama, the money wasted on their vacations could have paid for a shit load of healthcare

 

I have been to the emergency room twice without insurance. Both times I was made to pay exorbitantly. If you don't pay it will go on your record, and do bad things to your credit rating.

Also, by the time someone goes to the emergency room for something like cancer, heart disease, or a stroke the condition has become serious, and consequently expensive. If everyone was able to get regular check ups that sort of thing would often be taken care of before it became serious and expensive to treat.

The main reason health care is much more expensive in the U.S. than in countries with single payer health care plans is because of insurance companies. Insurance employees, executives, and stock holders get money that in countries with single payer health plans goes directly to health care.

 

well don't go off too much i just answered your question is all ..

 

It was a bad answer. Poor people and poor immigrants receive less health care in the United States than in countries with single payer health plans. They cannot be blamed for the fact that health care is more expensive in the United States than in countries with single payer health plans.

Although the heterogeneous nature of the American population cannot be blamed for the high cost of health care in the United States, it can be blamed for the unpopularity of universal health care. Most low income whites in the United States do not want their taxes spent helping non whites even for programs that would also help them. That is one of the reasons most of them vote Republican.