You consider it a personal attack now to call you what you claim?

Forgive me I don't buy your analysis, besides it's moot, hypothetical, and made up in your mind.

You are a funny space alien.

 

"It is time for all patriots to be united, to be under military organization, to be advancing to the conflict determined to live or die in defence of the God given right to own the African" - Richard Archer (Mississippi planter) 1859

 

Your lack of reading comprehension is beyond hilarious at this point. In fact I don't think it can be simply a lack of reading comprehension at this point. It seems deliberate. Pence throwing out the electoral votes of enough states was exactly the plan to claim neither candidate got the needed 270 and send the vote down to the House of Representatives. It is actually in writing.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/trump-pence-election-memo

Thank you for trying to keep this thread on topic. We can see how much it upsets some, and especially @shootersa just by how much time and effort he is putting in trying to derail the discussion with his utter nonsense.

And you are coming up with things I did not know. I peripatetic that as well.

 

Say, then what was the point of the riots in the capital? If all Trump needed was to queer up enough electoral college votes to force the election of the president to Congress the last thing he needed was to have the process interupted by his supporters rioting in the very building where the certification was happening.

According to the despicable conspiracy theory the riots were to stop the electoral college certification. The question posed early on was; why was Trump both trying to stop the certification of the electoral college, and challenge enough votes to keep anyone from getting a majority? And then we have to figure out how Trump marching with his supporters into the capital and ultimately arm in arm back to the oval office fit into the whole thing.

Or was the riot at the capital just that, and nothing more?

Cmon. Twirl and stamp your foot.

 

Again I do not believe you can possibly be this ignorant and uninformed. Its either an act or willful blindness. The purpose of Trump calling his domestic terrorists to DC and sic the armed insurrectionists on the Capitol was to create chaos, stop the certification, and pressure Pence to go along with Trump's attempted coup because he had already told Trump he was not going to do it. So Trump was going to lead the armed insurrection himself but the Secret Service would not allow him to go to the Capitol.

 

So, if the point was to stop the certification, and it was successful, that would put Pelosi in the oval office.
That's the great Trump conspiracy theory?
That if Trump couldn't hold the office, then by God he'd put Pelosi in there?

By the way, have we found the decoder ring yet?
Is there a chance the Nancy Antoinette star chamber bunch have one and are just waiting for the right moment to share it with us?
You know, the one that translates "March over to the capital peacefully" into "take control of the capital, grab a bunch of hostages, and we'll march to the white house and I'll be dictator for life"

Or maybe they have that smoking gun we been promised? Just waiting for the right moment to share it with us?

 

When adult discussion isn't working for you resort to propaganda.

 

It amazes me they can march with two our of three flags being the flags of traitors. But just like we see here all the time waving the American flag is meaningless. They do not believe in what the American flag stands for and might as well be wiping their asses with it.

The Republican party is the exact opposite of what Lincoln believed, stood for, and died for. Lincoln successfully preserved the United States of America and our Constitution while what used to be his party have become treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans who have turned traitors against everything Lincoln represents and swear their allegiance to just one mentally ill wanna be dictator.

 

Again with the bodily function preoccupation. But say, the "America is a shithole and a banana republic" member of the forum is certainly the member best suited to educate us on what a true patriot is.



When Trump was president minorities and women, for the first time since the civil rights and equal opportunity acts were passed, actually saw their wages go up and their unemployment numbers go down.
All that is gone now, lost by Biden and his followers.

 

"It is very appropriate that from this cradle of the Confederacy, this very heart of the great Anglo-Saxon Southland, that today we sound the drum for freedom as have our generations of forebears before us time and again down through history. Let us rise to the call for freedom-loving blood that is in us and send our answer to the tyranny that clanks its chains upon the South. In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." - George Wallace (1963)

 

I believe Abraham Lincoln was one of your greatest presidents but this was a mistake.


“With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."


For one thing the other side sure as fuck didn't believe it and killed him. But worse just overlooking the treason of the South and the traitors that orchestrated and conducted it just gave the South a chance to regroup, rewrite history, and put the names of traitors in places of honor when they should have been a footnote in American history; i.e. Among those tried convicted and hung for treason were ....

So I am glad to see us coming to our senses.


West Point Begins Removing Confederate Monuments from Campus Including Renaming Places Named After Robert E. Lee
By Sarah RumpfDec 26th, 2022, 12:45 pm
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The U.S. Military Academy at West Point has begun removing monuments and symbols memorializing the Confederacy, including renaming multiple places on campus named after Gen. Robert E. Lee, an alumnus and former superintendent of the service academy.

CNN anchor Amara Walker, filling in for Kate Bolduan, reported the latest developments on Monday, noting that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin had approved the changes in October as part of a larger set of recommendations from a Congressional panel.


Pentagon correspondent Oren Liebermann noted that this was all part of a “long process” dating back to late 2020 when Congress took a bipartisan vote to override former President Donald Trump’s veto and create a naming commission to address military facilities that commemorated or memorialized the Confederacy, including military bases, ships, facilities, and monuments.

Superintendent Lt. Gen. Steve Gilland wrote a letter to the West Point community last week announcing that over the holiday break the academy would begin the process “to remove, rename or modify assets and real property at [West Point] that commemorate or memorialize the Confederacy or those who voluntarily served with the Confederacy.”

“We will conduct these actions with dignity and respect,” Gilland promised. Over the holiday break, a portrait of Lee in Confederate uniform would be revamped from a library to be placed in storage at the West Point museum, a stone bust of Lee would be removed from a plaza and placed in storage, and a bronze triptych would be removed and placed in storage. The two Lee monuments had accompanying monuments for Union general Ulysses S. Grant; these would be relocated to Grant Hall.

According to Gilland’s letter, future planned changes included selecting a new “appropriate quote about honor to to replace the quote from Robert E. Lee at Honor Plaza,” to “review the stone markers within Reconciliation Plaza” and “modify” the markers deemed to commemorate the Confederacy with “appropriate language and images…while still conveying the Plaza’s central message of reconciliation,” and to recommend new names for multiple streets, buildings, and other areas on campus that were named for Lee and others who served in the Confederacy.

The bronze triptych was especially controversial, Liebermann said, because it depicts a member of the Ku Klux Klan wearing a hooded robe.

The changes would be a “multi-phased approach,” Liebermann concluded, “so we could expect it to take a bit of time but it is all part of this process to stop the military from in any way commemorating or memorializing the Confederacy.”

Watch the video above, via CNN.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/west-...ing-renaming-places-named-after-robert-e-lee/

 

Yeah.
They've gone down the Orwellian memory hole.
The pieces of history have been getting erased for decades if not centuries,
but nobody seems to notice the pattern and nobody seems to care.

 

The Confederacy was not as evil as Nazi Germany, but it posed more of a threat to the United States. In Germany there are no statues of Nazi leaders. Contemporary Germans are ashamed of the fact that their recent ancestors supported Hitler.

Nevertheless, I do not believe Confederate monuments should be pulled down by mobs. I think they should only be removed when the voters in the cities they stand in vote to remove them.

 

The confederacy was only a blip. Slavery thrived from day one under the American flag. The confederacy was not made up of Americans. They had renounced citizenship and formed another nation. A nation, that proclaimed the "right of slavery" as its founding principle.

"Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, proclaims that slavery and white supremacy were not only the cause for secession, but also the “cornerstone” of the Confederate nation."

The confederate constitution clearly "enshrined" slavery.

Article IV Section 3(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States., In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress.

President Reagan coined the term "Ash heap of history" And that's where the confederacy is now. The Confederacy belongs in the history books, but is not something to be "commemorated" and certainly not "celebrated".

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

If we had any regard at all for truth justice and the American way not to mention literacy this would be required reading in every school in the country. Because then we would understand ourselves.

A People's History of the United States
Book by Howard Zinn

 

Zinn .............. Zinn ............

AH! He's the fellow that took all the injustices and tragedies he could find going back to ancient times and rolled them up to blame them on "them". You know, the elite, the privileged ones, they who control our fates.

Wasn't he asked, before he died, what prevented anyone in history from being in charge of their own destiny and he got pissed?

We should put this book on the shelf next to the bell curve thingy.

But sure, lets make this required reading in our schools, and while we're at it we could include Karl Marx's book, and Hitlers book as well.
You know, speed the process along.

 

Well one must understand Marx if one wants to learn anything about the world's history. Without understanding Marx. We can't understand socialism or communism. How do you understand "Marxism" without reading about Marx? Also reading about Hitler is also essential. Just as reading about Stalin and Mao are necessary to understand our modern world. So is teaching the real history of the Confederacy, not some "politically correct" modern version.

 

So while we're at it then we can include "Democracy in America"? How about "the Earth is Flat"?