So we all know the Russians did everything to sow discord about our election

shootersa · Mar 2, 2018

Now see, there's your problem.
You keep forgetting.
Supporters didn't so much vote FOR Trump as vote AGAINST Clinton.
The deplorables knew what they were getting with Trump.
They also knew what they'd get with Clinton.
So, it was an easy choice.
Vote against Clinton.

And then the spew started from the loosers.
Trump this, Trump that, Trump, Trump, Trump.
And at first, supporters would look with alarm at the spew coming out about Trump.
Until they realized it was either;
a) Irrelevant; you know, like how Trump takes his steak (well done with plenty of catsup).
b) Spun wildly out of whole fabric; you know, Like the pissing hooker thingy.
c) Had some truth in it, but was hilariously hypocritical to even bring up, wasn't nearly as bad as the 28 point type headline would cause one to believe, or was just plain sad, the way the unsupporters spewed and frothed about stuff. Like the tax cuts for the rich thingy.

So, President Trump's presence in the oval office has done several things.

First, it really underscored just what a horrible idea Clinton was for the DNC.
Really.
Think about it. Just how bad does someone have to be to be beaten by Trump?

Second, it exposed the unsupporters as a group of spoiled, entitled, poor loosers who just cannot to this day understand how it is that their man (woman) was defeated.
There was hope that some of them at least would keep their word and leave the country, but that turned out to be a false hope. They're still here.

Third, it has completely destroyed the unsupporter credibility, at least with everyone except the hard core unsupporters, who give a shit about credibility anyway.
Think about it. When a group has consistently, for almost 18 months, spewed and frothed the most amazing lies, half truths, and irrelevant bullshit about our President, what thinking person would wait with breathless anticipation for the next !!BREAKING NEWS!! from these knuckleheads?
Only a hard core unsupporter, who doesn't need more spew to froth around in the first place.

So now, we approach mid terms, hopefully the conclusion of the Russian thingy investigations, and a litmus test for the President, his supporters and the unsupporters.

Best case for the unsupporters is that the investigations conclude without many of them going to jail themselves. Forget Trump. Mueller is off his leash and looking everywhere. Trump might be impeached. The Clinton gang and the DNC will do well to avoid prison time.
Worst case for the unsupporters is they loose any hope of having anything to say about anything for the next 8 years.

And for the supporters, there is no down side.
You see, the downside has already been eliminated.
No Hillary Clinton in the white house.

stumbler · Mar 2, 2018

shootersa said: ↑

Now see, there's your problem.
You keep forgetting.
Supporters didn't so much vote FOR Trump as vote AGAINST Clinton.
The deplorables knew what they were getting with Trump.
They also knew what they'd get with Clinton.
So, it was an easy choice.
Vote against Clinton.

And then the spew started from the loosers.
Trump this, Trump that, Trump, Trump, Trump.
And at first, supporters would look with alarm at the spew coming out about Trump.
Until they realized it was either;
a) Irrelevant; you know, like how Trump takes his steak (well done with plenty of catsup).
b) Spun wildly out of whole fabric; you know, Like the pissing hooker thingy.
c) Had some truth in it, but was hilariously hypocritical to even bring up, wasn't nearly as bad as the 28 point type headline would cause one to believe, or was just plain sad, the way the unsupporters spewed and frothed about stuff. Like the tax cuts for the rich thingy.

So, President Trump's presence in the oval office has done several things.

First, it really underscored just what a horrible idea Clinton was for the DNC.
Really.
Think about it. Just how bad does someone have to be to be beaten by Trump?

Second, it exposed the unsupporters as a group of spoiled, entitled, poor loosers who just cannot to this day understand how it is that their man (woman) was defeated.
There was hope that some of them at least would keep their word and leave the country, but that turned out to be a false hope. They're still here.

Third, it has completely destroyed the unsupporter credibility, at least with everyone except the hard core unsupporters, who give a shit about credibility anyway.
Think about it. When a group has consistently, for almost 18 months, spewed and frothed the most amazing lies, half truths, and irrelevant bullshit about our President, what thinking person would wait with breathless anticipation for the next !!BREAKING NEWS!! from these knuckleheads?
Only a hard core unsupporter, who doesn't need more spew to froth around in the first place.

So now, we approach mid terms, hopefully the conclusion of the Russian thingy investigations, and a litmus test for the President, his supporters and the unsupporters.

Best case for the unsupporters is that the investigations conclude without many of them going to jail themselves. Forget Trump. Mueller is off his leash and looking everywhere. Trump might be impeached. The Clinton gang and the DNC will do well to avoid prison time.
Worst case for the unsupporters is they loose any hope of having anything to say about anything for the next 8 years.

And for the supporters, there is no down side.
You see, the downside has already been eliminated.
No Hillary Clinton in the white house.
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And right here see the utter phony hypocrisy of the OP and Trump supporters. Ask what we should do about Russian interference in not just our elections but our entire Democracy and all they can do is set there hair on fire and run around in circles screaming BUT HILLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLARY BUT HILLLARY!!!!!

With the worst thing about it is all the other times they would be claiming they actually do care about our country. Sad that.

user 326 · Mar 2, 2018

Lol damn you will grasp at any straw you can find huh...

Trump is terrible. Get the fuck over it.

shootersa · Mar 3, 2018

stumbler said: ↑

And right here see the utter phony hypocrisy of the OP and Trump supporters. Ask what we should do about Russian interference in not just our elections but our entire Democracy and all they can do is set there hair on fire and run around in circles screaming BUT HILLARY .......

With the worst thing about it is all the other times they would be claiming they actually do care about our country. Sad that.
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The supporters know all about Russian interference. Supporters are astute at seeing when it's a Russian troll and they ignore them, so they have no impact on affairs.

Now an unsupporter can't help themselves. When they see stories about President Trump's eating habits, his hair, his skin and so forth, they just have to copy and paste it and share it with everyone they can, you know, cause...Trump.
The delusion is that by sharing with others their mission of destroying Trump advances.
But when anyone (except an unsupporter) sees these hack jobs they skip over them and go onto more important issues, so the time and effort unsupporters put into this process is wasted.
Which supporters find amusing as they go about their business.
Shooter will admit, sometimes a supporter will respond to an unsupporters's spew.
We just can't help ourselves. Watching the reaction is ... well ... priceless.

stumbler · Mar 3, 2018

Now I know that PR hacks, Trump supporters, and trolls won't take the time to read this. But I am here to tell you this is some pretty wild shit.

Leaked: Secret Documents From Russia’s Election Trolls
An online auction gone awry reveals substantial new details on Kremlin-backed troll farm efforts to stir up real protests and target specific Americans to push their propaganda.

The Kremlin-backed troll farm at the center of Russia’s interference in the 2016 U.S. election has quietly suffered a catastrophic security breach, The Daily Beast has confirmed, in a leak that spilled new details of its operations onto obscure corners of the internet.

The Russian “information exchange” Joker.Buzz, which auctions off often stolen or confidential information, advertised a leak for a large cache of the Internet Research Agency’s (IRA) internal documents. It includes names of Americans, activists in particular, whom the organization specifically targeted; American-based proxies used to access Reddit and the viral meme site 9Gag; and login information for troll farm accounts.

Even the advertisement for the document dump provides a trove of previously unknown information about the breadth of Russia’s disinformation effort in the United States, including rallies pushed by IRA social media accounts that turned violent.

While special counsel Robert Mueller’s recent conspiracy indictment against the IRA showed a sophisticated organization aimed at targeting U.S. voters with disinformation, the seller appears not to have understood the implications of the auction.

The listing was titled “Savushkina 55,” the physical address in St. Petersburg from which the troll farm used to operate. The date on the auction is listed as Feb. 10, 2017—seven months before Facebook and Twitter identified and pulled down Internet Research Agency accounts from Twitter. It received no bids. The seller, “AlexDA,” has not posted any other listings, and was unable to be reached. In Russian, the listing promised “working data from the department focused on the United States.”

While the date of the auction could not be independently confirmed, the authenticity of the leak can. The leaked documents list screen names connected to a number of American citizens who were used as unwitting proxies by the Russians. The Daily Beast was able to track down four of those citizens, whose names have not been previously revealed. The leak contains precise dates in 2016 in which the IRA-created account Blacktivist reached out to those U.S. citizens, plus a short description of the conversations. The Daily Beast spoke to those citizens, and confirmed they interacted with the Blacktivist account in the ways described by the IRA in the document. In one case, the American even provided screenshots of his interactions with the Russian troll trying to dupe him.

In short, the leaked document contains details of the Russian disinformation campaign that have not been previously made public—details which The Daily Beast was able to confirm.

The leak shows that even as the Russian trolls were able to influence and manipulate American political discourse online, they were less equipped to keep their own secrets. While The Daily Beast does not possess anything close to a comprehensive trove of the IRA’s internal operations, it is now likely that substantial amounts of the troll farm’s files are waiting to be discovered online.

But what The Daily Beast has seen provides a new level of texture and detail to the IRA’s U.S. efforts, online and off. While the troll farm’s use of YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook is now well-known, the leak shows that the Internet Research Agency also operated on Reddit and had a substantial footprint on Tumblr. They documented and tracked their personalized interactions with specific, unsuspecting Americans, some of whom are named in the leaks.

Those outreach efforts display conceptual sophistication. The leaks show that IRA imposter accounts targeted activists for specific causes the Russians wanted promoted. On the target list: the daughter of one of Martin Luther King’s lieutenants.

But the leaks also provide a glimpse into the troll farm’s weaknesses. Some of the Americans the group contacted described receiving impersonal entreaties from unfamiliar accounts, asking for trivial aid and then declining to follow up. The Internet Research Agency might have known how to leverage social media, but they knew far less about how users authentically interact with each other on it—which itself attracted suspicion amongst the very people the Russians were contacting.

“I couldn’t put my finger on it. I didn’t know who they were and why they were remaining anonymous, and I didn’t really see the need for it,” said Craig Carson, a Rochester, New York, attorney and civil rights activist who was contacted by the farm-created account Blacktivist.

Shanall LaRay Logan—who lives in Sacramento, California, and said she is active in Black Lives Matter campaigns —told The Daily Beast that these kind of trolling overtures are “actually just counterproductive to our movement.”

The leaks also reveal the IRA’s previously unreported connection to two additional 2016 rallies, one outside Atlanta and another in western New York, The Daily Beast can now confirm. One of them turned violent.

Tricks of the Trolls

On Feb. 16, Mueller indicted 13 people for their involvement in the Russian troll farm. The allegations have yet to be proven in court—and may never be, given the unlikelihood of Russia arresting and extraditing them for trial. But, combined with the leaked IRA documents, they provide a glimpse into the organization’s tradecraft.

Mueller describes an extensive operation, both online and off, beginning in 2014, to “sow discord in the U.S. political system.” What the Internet Research Agency called its “Translator Project” involved over 80 employees and a monthly budget that stretched to over $1.25 million. As U.S. elections approached, its internal understanding of its goal was to engender American “distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general.” *By February 2016, with the U.S. presidential election looming, it emphasized attacking Hillary Clinton, both from the right and the left simultaneously.

Its means included physical reconnaissance. Two IRA employees went on a road trip to visit nine American states stretching from New York to California “to gather intelligence” in June 2014. Five months later, a colleague spent another four days in Atlanta.

One of the employees who visited America was Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva, then the head of the troll farm’s Department of Analytics. The auction of the leaked IRA data offers a glimpse into that department’s work, which appears focused on understanding America and teasing out the most contentious issues. One department folder is titled “US Migration Policy,” which would prove a cornerstone of the IRA’s most divisive trolling. Other folders cover “The ruling political oligarch,” “False promises of America,” and “Air strike costs”—likely a reference to Trump’s bombing of a Syrian military airfield, which Putin condemned and the IRA attacked as a waste of taxpayer money. One folder simply reads “Obama.”

After completing its recon, a key tactic of the troll farm was to present its offerings as authentically American. They stole actual Americans’ identities and established false cover identities online. A consistent approach was to posture as supporters of passionate causes. But those causes varied wildly across the political spectrum. Some Internet Research Agency-created accounts pretended to be Muslim groups, others anti-Muslim activists. They were advocates of black liberation on one hand and its most fervent American critics on the other—whatever was necessary to aggravate long-standing and very real American divisions.

Social media—particularly YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter—magnified the troll farm’s reach. The money flowing into the Internet Research Agency’s coffers paid for a graphics department, data analytics, and other tools to improve their product, and they tailored their English-language propaganda to show up prominently in Google searches. One employee bragged: “I created all these pictures and posts, and the Americans believed that it was written by their people.”

But spreading misinformation on social media wasn’t enough. By summer 2016, the Internet Research Agency wanted to prompt Americans into the streets. Using tools like Facebook’s events page, they staged and promoted rallies for Donald Trump and against Clinton.

Just as social media permitted the IRA to scale a message up to reach millions, the same tools permitted person-to-person interaction to ensnare unwitting proxies. The troll farm’s employees, posturing as Americans, would “send individualized messages to real U.S. persons to request that they participate in and help organize” such rallies. Sometimes they had specific requests for unsuspecting activists: build a cage on a flatbed truck, or wear a costume to play-act Clinton heading to jail. For a June 23, 2016 rally, they solicited an American to recruit attendees to a pro-Trump rally with the promise of “giv[ing] you money to print posters and get a megaphone.”

The material leaked from the troll farm sheds additional light onto both the scope and the granularity of the tactics employed. In some cases, the efforts helped stoke clashes that turned violent. In others, they amounted to little but the occasional Facebook message to activists who were going to turn out for issue-based protests anyway. Flush with cash, the Internet Research Agency could afford to spread its bets.

Hyping the Hate

The Russians chose their potential American targets carefully. As they sought to promote conflict at a rally in Stone Mountain, Georgia, the leaks indicate the Internet Research Agency reached out to a woman whose legacy hearkens back to the heart of the civil rights movement.

At a young age, in 1966, Barbara Williams Emerson protested the harassment of black students in Grenada, Mississippi, and was arrested for her efforts. She was following in the footsteps of her parents—one of whom is Hosea Williams, a key Martin Luther King Jr. lieutenant in the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

After earning a Purple Heart as part of Gen George Patton’s (segregated) army, Hosea Williams endured a vicious beating for drinking out of a whites-only water fountain in his native Georgia. He would later organize voter-registration drives in the Deep South during the pivotal Freedom Summer of 1964 and march across the Pettus Bridge on Bloody Sunday. He took his fight to the Georgia Senate and the Atlanta City Council. While serving on the council in 1987, Williams, then 61 years old, confronted the Klan during a march through a segregated Forsyth County town. At that march, The New York Times reported at the time, a mob of “hundreds if not thousands” of rabid whites, David Duke among them, shouted “Nigger, go home!” Today a road in Atlanta bears his name.

Williams’ daughter Emerson, now an academic and activist, told The Daily Beast she was familiar with the Blacktivist imposter account, but marginally so. Their posts started showing up in her feed, and she remembered Liking an article on its now-shuttered Facebook page, but “I don’t think I was contacted directly,” she said, and definitely not with any offer of money or resources. Despite whatever inroads Blacktivist might have sought to make with her, Emerson, who lives near Stone Mountain, didn’t even attend the protest that Blacktivist hyped.

“I remember thinking that whole Stone Mountain monuments thing… the removal of Confederate images was an example of a distraction of energy and action from real racist issues and policies,” Emerson said. “Now I’m seeing how that whole trolling process might have worked.”

The event at Stone Mountain took place on April 23, 2016, approximately 25 miles from the 2014 Atlanta recon operation Mueller accuses the IRA of performing. (A U.S. official confirmed to The Daily Beast that Blacktivist aggressively pushed the Stone Mountain rally.)

According to a contemporaneous report from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, demonstrators showed up to confront a group of white nationalists that numbered around two dozen people. At least eight of the counterprotesters were reportedly arrested. CNN reported from the scene that day saying that counterdemonstrators vastly outnumbered the white nationalists and that one of the individuals from the pro-white group allegedly threw a smoke bomb at law enforcement on the scene.

The organizers of the event billed it as “Rock Stone Mountain,” and it was intended to draw attention to Confederate history. It was held days before Georgia’s Confederate Memorial Day. An anti-white supremacy group called All Out Atlanta, was on hand that day as well to counterprotest. All Out Atlanta did not respond to multiple requests for comment from The Daily Beast.

The IRA appeared to take notice of this brewing animosity and amplified the event on several of the Tumblr pages it was operating at the time.

A troll farm account whose credentials are listed in the leak, This-Truly-Brutal-World.tumblr.com, repeatedly shared “Not My Heritage” protest advertisements created by fellow IRA account BlackMatters, including rallies in Stone Mountain, and Jackson, Mississippi. An advertisement for the protest in Jackson said it would take place at “14 PM,” and used guillemets instead of quotation marks in the invitation to “Join us for а «NOT MY HERITAGE» rally.”

BlackMatters.Com, another known IRA imposter website, has a section devoted to Not My Heritage protests. The Twitter account @NotMyHeritage, which linked to the protests, was identified as an IRA-backed account in a list released by Congressional investigators in November.

The “Not My Heritage” protest in Stone Mountain didn’t just receive press attention from CNN and local papers.

Russian propaganda network RT pushed two videos shot by a network videographer from the day’s events in an article titled “Anti-racism protesters clash with police at Confederate rally in Georgia.” The videos are under the branding of RT’s “video news agency” Ruptly.

In the story, the propaganda network repeatedly blames anti-racist protesters for violence.

“Tear gas and stun grenades were used, and arrests were made—but none on the Confederate side,” the article accompanying the video reads.

‘They Knew I'd Be Active’

In the same month, based on the Internet Research Agency leak, Blacktivist appeared to have reached out to actual or potential attendees of an April 2016 rally for India Cummings, a black woman who died suspiciously in police custody, in Buffalo, New York.

When Dierra Jenkins, a Buffalo-based woman active in the local civil rights community, first came across Blacktivist, she thought its heavy concentration of Buffalo-focused content meant its creators were local. She was named in the Internet Research Agency leak, and confirmed to The Daily Beast that the account contacted her about the Cummings rally. “I do a lot of activist work in Buffalo,” Jenkins said. “Whoever was running that page, I thought, was from Buffalo, because they were posting stuff that was happening in Buffalo.” (An attorney for the Cummings family, Matt Albert—who is not named in the leak—was familiar with Blacktivist, but said the imposter account had no role in setting up any demonstrations on Cummings’ behalf.)

Shortly before the protest, Jenkins said, Blacktivist’s Facebook page contacted her over Messenger, with “no indication why,” to send her an invitation to the demonstration. She was familiar with the Blacktivist page but hadn’t previously interacted with it or anyone affiliated with it—making it likely that the Russian imposters were fishing for attendees based on similar interests visible on Facebook.

Another person identified in the leaked IRA documents, Rochester attorney and activist Craig Carson, said he interacted with Blacktivist in approximately three to five conversations, primarily through Facebook’s Messenger function, though he had a vague recollection that the account might have left the occasional comment on his page after he posted Blactivist material. The conversations took place around the April rally for India Cummings, and for Carson, Blacktivist had a specific request: to print out flyers with their visuals to bring to the rally.

“It seemed like they were reaching out to me because they knew I’d be active, that I’d be at the protest or the demo—‘Be sure to print this out,’” Carson recalled, and he distributed the flyers.

Carson couldn’t deny that the material was useful and contributed to his own desire to see justice for Cummings’ death in custody. Yet several things about Blactivist seemed off to him. No one in western New York’s social justice community knew them, and yet Blacktivist’s Facebook page had tens of thousands of Likes. They seemed to be spouting Black Lives Matter buzzwords without understanding their meaning.

So Carson tested his Blacktivist interlocutor. What was his or her favorite Prince record? What kind of syrup did they like on their pancakes? The account wasn’t prepared to go off-script—though Carson remembers that Blacktivist said it was partial to Purple Rain.

“They kind of stepped in the shoes of someone who’d make a protest sign or visual PDF for your Facebook event page. It never really struck us as odd or out of place, it was genuine help, but it was weird, like, who the fuck are you?” Carson said. After a few weeks’ worth of India Cummings-centered actions, Blacktivist disappeared from the western New York civil rights community as quickly as it arrived, Carson recalled.

Noah Westfall, another person named as being contacted by affiliates with the Internet Research Agency, lives in Buffalo, New York. In 2016, he wanted to participate in the April protest at the Erie County Holding Center on Cummings’ behalf. Prior to the protest, he had an interaction with a now deactivated Facebook user about the event.

According to screenshots of the alleged conversation provided by Westfall to The Daily Beast, he was messaged on April 3 in the afternoon and told “We need a volunteer to help us with signing the petition/printing posters.”

The user also informed Westfall: “It would be cool if you could also periscope the protest.”

He was subsequently sent a petition and a set of posters to use and was encouraged to put them on cardboard.

The user also added that they had “two more volunteers who have the printed petition too so it would be cool if you cooperate with them so that we won’t have 3 different petitions signed.”

Ultimately, Westfall did not attend. Three weeks later, the user sent a link to another Facebook event and said “you are welcome to attend our protest, on Monday, May 2.”

Westfall had no way of knowing that his interlocutor was not who he said he was, and wouldn’t be at the rally the Internet Research Agency had seen fit to co-opt.
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*I had to highlight that one because of all the Russian trolls I encountered on other sites during the campaign the majority of them were attacking Clinton from the left. And by far their most favorite tactics was the DNC robbed Bernie Sanders and Clinton was not progressive enough. And I have to admit they were pretty good at getting progressive/liberal/Democrats fighting among themselves. And they are actually still at it. Which is why on the sites I visit there is now a concerted effort to spot the Trump/Russian bots and trolls and warn others about them. But I also think something must have happened to their more sophesticated organization because a lot of the Russian trolls we are seeing now are so terrible and obvious I think they are in danger of Putin slapping their ass in prison for exposing his troll farm.

user 326 · Mar 3, 2018

If you're that easily manipulated then maybe you need to grow the fuck up and learn how to think for yourself.

stumbler · Mar 3, 2018

tallnfit said: ↑

If you're that easily manipulated then maybe you need to grow the fuck up and learn how to think for yourself.
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Ok this is the funniest thing I have read so far today.

user 326 · Mar 3, 2018

stumbler said: ↑

Ok this is the funniest thing I have read so far today.
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Take all the little shots you like but unlike you I've never followed a party line or leaned to one side or the other.

People can only be manipulated if they're too lazy or stupid to be informed or think for themselves. By Russians or anybody else.

JimmyCrackPorn · Mar 18, 2018

stumbler said: ↑

Now I know that PR hacks, Trump supporters, and trolls won't take the time to read this. But I am here to tell you this is some pretty wild shit.

Leaked: Secret Documents From Russia’s Election Trolls
An online auction gone awry reveals substantial new details on Kremlin-backed troll farm efforts to stir up real protests and target specific Americans to push their propaganda.

*I had to highlight that one because of all the Russian trolls I encountered on other sites during the campaign the majority of them were attacking Clinton from the left. And by far their most favorite tactics was the DNC robbed Bernie Sanders and Clinton was not progressive enough. And I have to admit they were pretty good at getting progressive/liberal/Democrats fighting among themselves. And they are actually still at it. Which is why on the sites I visit there is now a concerted effort to spot the Trump/Russian bots and trolls and warn others about them. But I also think something must have happened to their more sophesticated organization because a lot of the Russian trolls we are seeing now are so terrible and obvious I think they are in danger of Putin slapping their ass in prison for exposing his troll farm.
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Yeah, I remember you talking about all the Russian trolls/bots/meddlers you encountered in so many of your posts back then not one fucking bit.

Looks like you may have caught a touch of the wankin' wabbit's "Walter Mitty" syndrome.

KatieColorado · Mar 18, 2018

I just want one of these. Not so much because I wasn't a fan of Obama, he was a statist but at least he was dignified and carried himself with class and avoided scandal other than Hannity / Limbaugh / Levin conspiracy nonsense.

No, I would want it because of how triggered it would make Trump acolytes and closet racists everywhere.

stumbler · Mar 19, 2018

KatieColorado said: ↑

I just want one of these. Not so much because I wasn't a fan of Obama, he was a statist but at least he was dignified and carried himself with class and avoided scandal other than Hannity / Limbaugh / Levin conspiracy nonsense.

No, I would want it because of how triggered it would make Trump acolytes and closet racists everywhere.
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I really like this. And I see an awful lot of things in one way or another saying I really miss Obama. But if its any consolation Barack and Michelle have reportedly signed a deal for a series of shows on Netflix.

KatieColorado · Mar 19, 2018

stumbler said: ↑

I really like this. And I see an awful lot of things in one way or another saying I really miss Obama. But if its any consolation Barack and Michelle have reportedly signed a deal for a series of shows on Netflix.
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I probably won't watch it. I thought Obama was a good man, despite the sheer volume and quantity of shit thrown at him he always conducted himself with poise and dignity and it didn't matter what he did, social conservatives and Trump fans would denigrate him anyways.

That said, Obama didn't do overly well on the economy and after Lehman failed, there never should have been an additional bailout. The short term pain would have been worse but long term we likely would have had a strong economy. His foreign policy was sloppy, not Trump sloppy, but he could have done better. I honestly believe he wanted to do what was right but he kept getting pulled further and further left.

Had he stayed centrist with left leanings and not relied so much on statist / big government solutions, I would have liked him more politically.

But he was in a tough spot with the Russians, it's a fact that McConnell blocked Obama on a statement to the American public, even if he made that statement it would have been a lose / lose situation (like Comey announcing they were looking at Hillary again 5 days before the election...so much for him being in the tank for her).

He's a nice man but his politics don't overly interest me.

KatieColorado · Mar 19, 2018

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Instead of forming tribes and attacking each other. What are we going to do about the Russians? What can we do?

Well. I would feel incredibly safe in saying that as individuals we can't do anything, and I'd feel safe, about less so, about saying collectively we can't really do anything.

If the Russians had intended to play both sides, if they had intended to groom Trump to be president, if they wanted us to be divided as a nation, then why are tensions between the U.S and Russia increasing?

Why are there new sanctions on Russia?

Why have we condemned Russia for the assassination attempt in the U.K?

Why is it that the U.S and most of our allies are increasingly distrustful of Russia?

Did their meddling backfire?

Maybe there wasn't any meddling to begin to begin with. Maybe some unforeseen force wants tensions to be increased, and wants people to be distrustful of Russia.
Maybe. But probably not.

I don't think the Russians had an much of an impact on the U.S election as a lot of people think. I think it's overblown. I think that the reason it seems like the Russians are the ones at fault is because they're being used as a scapegoat for something far more sinister.

Identity politics. No one in power is pushing it either. We are all playing the game together. And we will all lose this game together.
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It's pretty much established fact that Russia leveraged multiple channels of disruption for the election. Bots on FB, Twitter and Youtube, producing fake news, stirring up easily triggered groups on both sides of the ideological divide, attempting to and likely being successful in hacking multiple state voter databases, etc. That's not really a question anymore. It's very well established.

It was a propaganda war to further divide us but it clearly helped and was for the benefit of Trump. But it was an effective distraction effort and was useful in turning people against each other. Look at the microcosm that is XNXX General. You have people quoting and presenting clearly fake or misleading nonsense to make their point, as logically invalid as it might be, and nobody is willing to listen because all of it is present as fact. People are so dug into their ideological positions that nothing will sway them. Their perception of truth is the only truth even though it's crap.

Russians helped cement that. Far right talking heads only cement that sentiment and the sheep take it as fact. I have no love for 3rd wave feminists or actual far left socialists (which too many of these inbred sister fuckers think anyone not "conservative" fits into that category) but they are so statistically insignificant and don't have an equivalent voice like a Hannity or Ingrahm or Limbaugh that it's not worth wasting my time worrying about them.

ridgerunner · Mar 19, 2018

Exclusive: Sources contradict Sessions' testimony he opposed Russia outreach

By Karen Freifeld, Sarah N. Lynch and Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions' testimony that he opposed a proposal for President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign team to meet with Russians has been contradicted by three people who told Reuters they have spoken about the matter to investigators with Special Counsel Robert Mueller or congressional committees.

Sessions testified before Congress in November 2017 that he "pushed back" against the proposal made by former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos at a March 31, 2016 campaign meeting. Then a senator from Alabama, Sessions chaired the meeting as head of the Trump campaign's foreign policy team.

"Yes, I pushed back," Sessions told the House Judiciary Committee on Nov. 14, when asked whether he shut down Papadopoulos' proposed outreach to Russia.

Sessions has since also been interviewed by Mueller.

Three people who attended the March campaign meeting told Reuters they gave their version of events to FBI agents or congressional investigators probing Russian interference in the 2016 election. Although the accounts they provided to Reuters differed in certain respects, all three, who declined to be identified, said Sessions had expressed no objections to Papadopoulos' idea.

One person said Sessions was courteous to Papadopoulos and said something to the effect of "okay, interesting."

The other two recalled a similar response.

"It was almost like, 'Well, thank you and let's move on to the next person,'" one said.

However, another meeting attendee, J.D. Gordon, who was the Trump campaign's director of national security, told media outlets including Reuters in November that Sessions strongly opposed Papadopoulos' proposal and said no one should speak of it again. In response to a request for comment, Gordon said on Saturday that he stood by his statement.

Sessions, through Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores, declined to comment beyond his prior testimony. The special counsel's office also declined to comment. Spokeswomen for the Democrats and Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee did not comment.

Reuters was unable to determine whether Mueller is probing discrepancies in accounts of the March 2016 meeting.

The three accounts, which have not been reported, raise new questions about Sessions' testimony regarding contacts with Russia during the campaign.

Sessions previously failed to disclose to Congress meetings he had with former Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and testified in October that he was not aware of any campaign representatives communicating with Russians.

Some Democrats have seized on discrepancies in Sessions' testimony to suggest the attorney general may have committed perjury. A criminal charge would require showing Sessions intended to deceive. Sessions told the House Judiciary Committee that he had always told the truth and testified to the best of his recollection.

Legal experts expressed mixed views about the significance of the contradictions cited by the three sources.

Sessions could argue he misremembered events or perceived his response in a different way, making any contradictions unintentional, some experts said.

Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, said Sessions' words might be too vague to form the basis of a perjury case because there could be different interpretations of what he meant.

"If you're talking about false statements, prosecutors look for something that is concrete and clear," he said.

Other legal experts said, however, that repeated misstatements by Sessions could enable prosecutors to build a perjury case against him.

"Proving there was intent to lie is a heavy burden for the prosecution. But now you have multiple places where Sessions has arguably made false statements," said Bennett Gershman, a Pace University law professor.

The March 2016 campaign meeting in Washington was memorialized in a photo Trump posted on Instagram of roughly a dozen men sitting around a table, including Trump, Sessions and Papadopoulos.

Papadopoulos, who pleaded guilty in October to lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his Russia contacts, is now cooperating with Mueller.

According to court documents released after his guilty plea, Papadopoulos said at the campaign meeting that he had connections who could help arrange a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Papadopoulos continued to pursue Russian contacts after the March 2016 meeting and communicated with some campaign officials about his efforts, according to the court documents.

Trump has said that he does not remember much of what happened at the "very unimportant" campaign meeting. Trump has said he did not meet Putin before becoming president.

Moscow has denied meddling in the election and Trump has denied his campaign colluded with Russia.

so sessions already testified that the trump campaign did want to reach out to russia in 2016 and now 3 people are saying he lied his ass off under oath and he still has a job?

Pussy.Patrol · Mar 19, 2018

Why not blame the voters? After all, they were stupid enough to be manipulated, by both sides...

shootersa · Mar 19, 2018

Pussy.Patrol said: ↑

Why not blame the voters? After all, they were stupid enough to be manipulated, by both sides...
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Yep. We got the Government we deserve.

Shooter thinks though that while some small percentage of the voting public were manipulated, the majority voted their own individual ideology and were able to put aside the bullshit, at least for the most part.

Shooter has a sister in law who is a radicalized, weaponized, feminist/liberal.
Her words, not Shooter's.

We've had some ......... spirited ............ conversations since Trump announced his candidacy.
We've managed to remain civil only because we both have respect for Shooter's brother/her husband. It wouldn't be fair, we agreed early on, to force the poor schmuck to choose between us.

During the election, what with the Clinton e Mail thingy, and Uranium one, and the endless Trump foot in mouth episodes, we were constantly poking each other with "Did you see this, how can you STILL support that knucklehead?" barbs.

When Hillary made her infamous deplorable speech our debate went, shall we say, nuclear. It was during that conversation that we agreed, a) Hillary went overboard attacking supporters and that it just might result in some blow back for her b) Neither one of us was swayed relative to who we were going to vote for c) The bullshit coming from the media on all sides was getting too deep and carried too deep a stench to ignore any longer.

She voted for Clinton, and still defends her vote, and Shooter voted against Clinton, and remains convinced that the alternative would have been an even bigger disaster.

And by the way, Shooter's sister in law and Shooter agree; an election between Ivanka and Chelsea would be EPIC fun!

stumbler · Mar 20, 2018

@Mr Smith 36

Mr Smith 36 said:

You are such a deceitful anti freedom s.o.b. . Mr Smith will take great pleasure in shutting your anti American operation down after you have been embarrassed by the real truth that will be revealed within the year's end. You won't be able to spread any more of your lies. You'll be exposed for what you really are.
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ROFLCOPTERS!!!!

I have already proven you and your lies more times than I can count. As have others because you are not even real. And another thing I can prove is anyone who puts their allegiance to one man, especially a proven liar, hypocrite, greedy phony that is trying to turn the US into just another one of their properties to exploit and profit from never gave a shit about the United States of America, its Constitution, or all the great things it stands for in the first place. You are nothing but a hypocrite that only cares about will to power and will contradict yourself and shit all over everything you claimed to believe in just because Trump tells you to.

And I have to throw an extra ROFLCOPTERS!!!! in for all the times you have threatened to "expose" me and all you can do is run your phony bluffing mouth because there is nothing to expose and we both know it.

deleted user 777 698 · Mar 21, 2018

Nah, I just want to remind the Ruskie his days of discord here in the USA are numbered. It's only a matter of time...

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