That's not the real world, that's Hollywood.

When you are a 51 year old woman if you should come across a hot 16 year old guy who wants to marry you, you have my blessing.
:excited::rose:

 

DC, I think these people are blind to what is out there... there are so many instances in literature that could be construed as pedophilia but it's not because its literature or just a farking book. I remember reading one romance novel when I was working in a warehouse... it was the only thing to read in the whole fucking place bunch of illiterates... nice guys but the culture of warm spittle... had a scene where the protagonist's friend was abused by her betrothed sexually and it was inferred in detail that she watched the goings on and that she would be next.
This was a random romance novel... if you read enough books you will find that sex between minors and adults is rampant in literature...

Lets take the twilight series for example how old is the vampire? 200? 250 maybe? and the girl Bella is what 18... talk about robbing the cradle...

This is a tabu that writers have waxed on about for ages... now I have objections to writing stories that are true... but so long as no one was injured in the writing of the story save perhaps the writer because writing shit can be a painful thing I have no objection... Write whatever you want... read whatever you want... doing whatever you want... you might want to think about before you act... Innocence is wonderful and beautiful and once tarnished by something evil is often broken beyond repair.

 

I know E... and you know I'm on your side on this...

but before the rest of you go judging us writers on what we are writing look outside your window... deal with your own backyard before you start infringing on other people and the random and often inspired thoughts that they have...

Perhaps and this is just a perhaps what those of us that write underage stories are doing rather than writing stroke for folks, is educating people how far society has fallen... Perhaps... because if nothing else we writers are simply illustrating a reflection of the society that we see before us.

 

Ok then, I will state i detest pedo/incest as I was abused, but in stating that, anyone watched Twilight or TrueBlood, and the girl is 18-24 and the Vampire is ancient, what about "Interview with a Vampire" Tom Cruise played Vampire Lestat and Kirstan Dunst play a 12 year old girl, which he turned on after feeding on her. If u read any of Anne Rices book, a bite from a vampire was akin to sexual intercourse, be it violent or loving.

 

TS, My Condolences, I do not believe that anyone should suffer what you had to suffer, and I am saddened that you did, I am also pleased that you are part of the community, Those who have suffered much often have more insight into things or at least have a different way of looking at things, and I'm also pleased that it hasn't cause you to run off and become a nun or some other ....

That said... If you read Anne Rice's Beauty cronicles... that bitch is sick and twisted... But you see my point. Those of us who write fantasy here are writing just that, the last thing most of us want to do is to hurt anyone if anything it is a means for us to let out our daemons.

 

yeah, they are still online, many and many of them. if you like what you read, save them to your computer!

 

I understand in parts what u are saying and thanks for not having ago at me for what happened and i am not after sympathy, but there are two types of underage couplings, consensual and non-consensual. The consensual ones are all good but dont happen in the real world. The non-consensual is not fun at all and i had to be medicated and later, i used illegal drugs to get the flashbacks out of my head.
Now i am not that scared little ten year old, now i am that sarah connor bitch that will hack off his willie, if i catch my uncle, but that's a seperate issue.

 

verbal sparring is the only kind i enjoy

Ok, i see your point - i don't say i agree with it, but it is certainly a valid argument. however, i have a few counter-arguments to strengthen my own case. Firstly, I don't see why the fact that I’m a newcomer on the site should be indicative of my intelligence (or lack of it) or the validity of my opinions, but never mind that now. It was just a random thought.
All right, so one thing i learned while at University, apart from getting a degree, is the importance of research. I've been spending a few hours on internet now, trying to gather together evidence to substantiate either your or my own claims (I’m honestly interested in the TRUTH - no matter whose opinion it is) and i am so disappointed by the lack of research done on this subject matter. It must be mentioned that my internet connection is rather slow, but here is what I’ve come across that i thought valid points in the subject under discussion.
1) Paedophiles and child molesters are not the same. Paedophiles are those who are guilty of a fascination with sex with young minors, but not necessarily guilty of PHYSICALLY acting out their fantasies. (Yes, peeping toms who look but don't touch, you are, in fact, already a paedophile.) Child molesters are those who act out their fantasies and actually harm kids. They will often do the same thing to adults that they do to kids.
2) Certain research has been done to understand why paedophiles enjoy what they do. Mostly, these articles centre around medical terminology and brain tests to determine the cause of paedophilism. Some of it is interesting; some of it was pure speculation. However, there are a few concerns regarding people who are viewed as 'dormant paedophiles.' I'm going out onto a limb here and use something that happened to myself as a comparison. I have a point, i promise, just bear with me. Ok, so my dad is a pastor, my mom is a teacher, and I’m the very embodiment of good moral values, a firm upbringing and a loving daughter. For me, in my life, lesbianism was never even something i considered. I knew it existed, I’ve seen women walk hand-in-hand and I’ll admit to judging them a little from my righteous little bubble. But it was never uppermost in my thoughts at all. Until i went to varsity, lesbians were just there, not even in the back of my mind. I became roommates with a self-proclaimed bisexual girl, got sucked into a black hole of friendships with lesbians. And at first it was just that - friendships. However, the more i chatted to them, the more it became socially acceptable to speak about sex between girls. The more interested i became. It took me more than a year, but i was tickled pink by this brand new opportunity I’d never considered applicable to my life before. Long story short, i started checking out lesbian porn, stories, photos etc. etc. - and found it hot. Eventually my roommate and i had a fling, but we ended it for many reasons. One of them being that I am not gay. I no longer judge people who are, but i most certainly don't row that way. If my roommate had been a different girl, i might have. But now I’m so straight as to be almost homophobic.
My point is, i wasn't a lesbian, but i was exposed to it and it started to get me thinking - maybe this is ok, maybe i will enjoy this. Maybe i should try it.

And I’m scared that this will be the same with paedophiles. Many people who aren't interested in children could develop an interest, simply because they come into contact with the subject in an environment where it is acceptable and even promoted as normal and desirable.
I'm going to leave you with some quotes i came across in my research:

"For example, The American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary states, "Pedophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children." This common use application also extends to the sexual interest in and abuse of pubescent or post-pubescent minors. Researchers recommend that these imprecise uses be avoided because although people who commit child sexual abuse commonly exhibit the disorder,some offenders do not meet the clinical diagnosis standards for pedophilia and these standards pertain to prepubescents. Additionally, not all pedophiles actually commit such abuse.
According to FBI agent Ken Lanning, "collecting" pornography does not mean that they merely view pornography, but that they save it, and "it comes to define, fuel, and validate their most cherished sexual fantasies." An extensive collection indicates a strong sexual preference for children and the owned collection is the single best indicator of what he or she wants to do. Researchers Taylor and Quayle reported that pedophile collectors of child pornography are often involved in anonymous internet communities dedicated to extending their collections."

"In the United States, the First Amendment gives protection to written fiction—although in one case, a man pled guilty and was convicted for writing unpublished stories (these were works of fiction concerning sexually abusing children) that were contained only in his personal and private journal. That conviction was later overturned on appeal."

"The argument is that while there is freedom of speech, this freedom of speech does not allow anyone to take away a child's right to innocence—even if the child consents to the sexual act because of the child's inability to consent. The argument is that child pornography encourages child molestation and also allows child molesters to try to legitimize child sex."
You might want to check out the full website, as both sides of our disagreement are stated here. but i am not allowed to post the link yet, so just google a sentence.


"Is it the case that people who know they are pedophiles seek out these stories and read them to gain sexual gratification or is it the case that ordinary people accidentally stumble across these stories (while searching for normal sex stories—bundling allows them to accidentally stumble across these child porn stories) and then, while reading it for curiosity's sake, are suddenly addicted to child porn stories because the story triggered a latent pedophilic desire within them that they didn't fully realize they possessed. The child porn addict, after immersing himself in the world of pedophilia, may try to rationalize his actions. After frequent contact with pedophilic themes he may believe that sex with minors is normal."

"Some people argue that if someone is dumb enough not to be able to separate fantasy from reality then that is his own fault. The problem with this argument is that it matters that innocent people are harmed. It may be a man's fault for not distinguishing between fantasy and reality after reading a child porn story, but because he cannot make this distinction he thinks it is normal to have sex with child and actually goes out and tries it and a child is hurt. While some believe that more child porn literature on the Internet will encourage more child abuse, others believe that it is the opposite. They say that kiddie porn stories give pedophiles an outlet for their perverse desires, making them less likely to actually abuse children. I won't know whichever way the truth swings until more research is done on the issue."

To end this post, i'll admit that after your comment on my comment, i took the time to check out your stories. The few ones I've posted so far got fairly good results, with a few complaints about my grammar and spelling. But hey, English is my second language, so i cut myself some slack there. Now i've only read one of yours so far and you know, i was almost disappointed by how much i enjoyed it - i didn't want to like what you write, because i don't agree with what you promote. small-minded, i know. i read injured cousin and i was really impressed. Not only was your writing good, the story was, too. But you know what i liked most about it? The girl, while a minor, was certainly old enough to be consesual about it. I didn't see it as child pornography. the big thing is that the hormones which promotes sexual desires and gratification only developes at a certain stage (mostly around thirteen, according to research) and i find it unrealistic that children under fifteen will find any enjoyment in sex, because they are not fully developed to do so yet.
But that's just my opinion.

 

The thing about you being new isn't a slight against your intelligence nor do I believe that it invalidates your opinion, but if you'd go back, and read the thread you'll see that all of these arguments have been made, ad infinum.

I think that perhaps your focus is too narrow.
The question really isn't about pedophilia so much as to what degree media effects behavior, and I'll bet the advertising industry has done tons of research on this.

On just the page previous to this one JoeDirty makes the same argument only it's transsexuals, but my reply still applies.
"The tranny (lesbian) example just doesn't wash unless you're talking about under age trannies (lesbians).
An adult, regardless of gender, and/or cross gender (or sexual orientation) can consent.
Not nearly as taboo, and so you can seriously think about sex with a tranny (lesbians), and not really feel like you're doing anything wrong.
Reading a story about sex with a child isn't the same because unless you are just a sociopath, you would feel really wrong about seriously entertaining the idea of sex with a real child."

That was the thing about this place, people felt free to speak against subject matter they objected too, and in the debate us writers got to make it clear that we in no way indorse harming children.
I don't really think that many people are that easily influenced by a story, but between the people hating on it, and writers saying, "No, I don't think this would ever be okay to do." it kind of balanced out.
Now we are left to argue with key pieces of evidence declared inadmissible on this site.

This seems to be about for real child porn which is a far cry from simply writing stories.
That harms real children, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I don't think anybody's here to argue that CP is okay.

That argument lost on appeal because the state failed to demonstrate any harm caused by a private journal.

I'm sorry, but to me that is tantamount to saying that if one reads to many Harry Potter books they could very well begin to think they're a wizard.
There is a word for that kind of break with reality, psychosis.
If we start censoring based on how the psychotic may respond a lot of art will be on the chopping block.

Well I had a pretty strong sex drive starting much younger than 13 so I can tell you that it certainly does happen, but that's entirely beside the point.
Fantasy is just that, and a 9 year old girl in a story is not a real 9 year old girl, so the question as to whether a real 9 year old girl could enjoy sex is irrelevant.

The directer John Landis once asked his son Max, when he was troubling over fictional rules, "How do you kill a vampire?"

And Max said, "Stake through the heart, garlic, holy water..."

And interrupting his son in the middle of his list John asserted, "No, you can kill them however the fuck you want because they don't fucking exist. You can make up rules for whatever you want"

Now that's parenting.

 

Surely in the reading of Anne Rice novels, how bad or how cruel it is up to the individual reader to interpret. That it's the readers own experiences that cloud the way you perceive it. I read " Interview with a Vampire" and I didnt look at it in a incest/pedi way.
Last year I picked up a book from a garage sale. It was a true story about two young Jewish boys escaping from the Gestapo in Paris, France. They had to make their way to Spain. In their travels they met many people, some who helped, others indifferent to their plight.
At one stage they were befriended by a priest, who helped them enormously at great danger to himself. All the while, as I read, I was awaiting the priest to abuse the situation. It never happened. Nothing did.
Still, a small part of my cynical mind, cannot accept that, I still interpret it that the priest was being predatory.
My fault. My views superseding the authors.

 

and just another aside..... Why do people site Woody Allen all the time? He did nothing wrong. It's your own morals that you are imposing. One of the last things I would expect in a sex forum.
Jerry Lee Lewis? Same thing, we are imposing our standards on his upbringing. It wasn't unusual in that part of America. Elvis Presley and his child bride another example of that.

 

I have to agree that underage stories shouldn't be allowed. However, I can't agree with removing all the ones posted already. To me, as an artist, that looks like disrespectfully throwing away somebody's work. A lot of the stories posted before this was an issue, or a rule. It's unfair to, at one or a few people's reports, throw away hours, days or even weeks of time spent writing by our forum users.

If someone were to post a story like that after the rule was put into effect, it would be different. I think, however, the stories posted before should be protected. Unfortunately, a lot of damage has already been done in that area, and I doubt there's a way to recover it.

 

I only pointed out the fact that you're a newcomer because these threads are full of people with low post counts saying almost exactly the same thing you did, just in different words. It seems suspiciously like the same person creating multiple accounts just to keep repeating the same argument without having to back it up.

After your long and well-researched post, I think it's safe to say that if someone is creating a bunch of sock accounts, you're not one of them.

Yay! Someone not only broke through the logical force field but also did some real research!:excited:

An excellent point, and one that most of the anti-pedo people on this site don't seem to get. There is a difference between someone who likes pedo stories and someone who molests children.

That's a fair point, but I don't think it's quite the same. I would guess that even most pedophiles know that touching children inappropriately is just plain wrong. So the percentage of people who progress from first contact with a pedophilic environment (e.g. a story) to actually abusing a child is probably miniscule compared to the percentage of people (such as yourself) who progress from first contact with a homosexual environment (e.g. a bisexual roommate) to experimenting with homosexual sex.

Still, I will concede that there is probably some increase in pedophilic thoughts due to the existence of pedo stories.

I absolutely agree. We need to get our definitions correct so that we can distinguish between child molesters, pedophiles, people who are obsessed with underage teenagers, and people who are occasionally attracted to underage teenagers (and I would guess that most adult men fall into this last category whether they admit it or not. I can't speak for women though).

Of course, just reading and enjoying a pedo story does not make one a collector.

I remember this case, and the overturning basically reinforced the safe legal status of pedo stories in the U.S.

As Eric pointed out above, stories do not involve real children in the creation.

This actually sounds like the person making the statement is getting too emotionally invested in their argument. They start out by asking a question, and then by the time the (admittedly long) sentence is over, they've not only forgotten that it's a question but are assuming that the second option is true. Understandable with such a sensitive subject, but inexcusable in a rational discussion.

Absolutely true. I think those who can't distinguish between fantasy and reality are a miniscule minority though.

And this is the real crux of the matter. Unfortunately, the verdict is still out. Do pedo stories cause or prevent more child abuse? I would guess that there's a little bit of both, but which is more prevalent? My gut feeling is that it prevents more child abuse, but I'll admit that I really have nothing to back that up.

My point is and always has been that until this question is settled once and for all, we should simply fall back on our next best standard for judging the appropriateness of content: freedom of speech.

Really? I would have never guessed. (No, I'm not being sarcastic. I honestly would have never guessed) You seem to have a great grasp of English.

Now I just might have to take a look at your stories.

I should warn you that most of the rest of my stories involve characters younger than sixteen, so if you give them a pass, I'll certainly understand.

On the other hand, part of the reason I write about such young characters is specifically for the moral conflict. You could say I play devil's advocate a lot. For instance, I challenge you to read New Daughter and see if you can keep from thinking that in that case, a sexual relationship between a father and his thirteen-year-old daughter is good and right. Or read Shelter From the Cold and ask yourself whether it has an ultra happy feelgood ending, or if it's the most disturbing thing you've ever read. So if you're up for having your morals challenged, you might enjoy my stories.

I agree that they're not fully developed, but I wouldn't say they wouldn't find any enjoyment in sex. By the time I was fourteen, I was a randy old goat, although I'll admit that I was so totally clueless about women that it wasn't until much later that I was introduced to sex. But I would have to say that I would have found at least some enjoyment. Probably quite a lot.

 

and to conclude...

All right. I have spent most of my Friday afternoon doing further research on this very interesting discussion we’ve been having and I have to conclude that it was a waste of time. Firstly, there is no true research done by psychologists, psychiatrists (or any other medical researchers that starts with a ‘psy’) to indicate an answer to our question – does fictional pedophile stories promote or reduce the instances of true-life child molestation?

Most of the opinions I’ve read indicates ‘no.’ However, I can’t accept these answers for the truth as it does not belong to professional health-care providers, but rather to the biased public who feels the need to justify their fantasies to themselves.

So I concede. Legally, under the first amendment and other legislation, you are allowed to write stories where young minors are involved in sexual acts, as long as they are not focused on giving true molesters tips, or bragging about real-life experiences the writer had with children.

I do not feel at peace with my conclusions; nor do I admit that my opinion is wrong. I still believe that writing about pedophilia promotes it. I cannot find a way to justify to myself that it is innocent – because it is not. It forms part of an obsession that may push a pedophile to become a child molester.
So while no children are harmed during the writing of a pedo story, the fact remains that there is a distinct possibility that a child may be harmed because of it.

Consider this from my point of view: I’m a teacher in South Africa. I’ve had to deal with many, many cases of abused girls in the few years I’ve been teaching. For those of you who don’t know, mis-education in my country is still a very big problem that we are struggling to rectify on an everyday basis, without making true headway. To give you an example, Witch Doctors, or Sangomas, promote the following gross untruth: Raping a virgin without using protection will cure HIV/AIDS. The younger a child, the better your chances of being cured. And getting her pregnant? Bonus – you are immune to HIV/AIDS from now on.
I know that is not even close to being the same as pedophilia. I’m not trying to compare the two instances. I’m just pointing out an interesting fact of life here in South Africa and explaining why I’ve had so many abused children in my classroom – and I teach first graders. It saddens me because I’m the one who deals with the children after the fact, and I see what they have to go through every day. So no, I will never accept anything that might promote pedophilia, even if there’s no research to back me up. There’s such a thing as common sense – if you have to fight to justify it to yourself (I’m not talking about freedom of speech, freedom from slavery or whatever else now – this is a moral dilemma) it stands to reason that it is wrong, at least on some level. Maybe you feel you don’t have to justify it to yourself, or maybe you don’t feel guilty about it at all. That’s fine. I can’t really enforce my opinion on that matter as I don’t have any desire to read about kiddie porn. Maybe you’re okay with it, because you know you will never practise what you read/write. But yes, I’m sure that somewhere out there, somebody WILL molest a child because he was conditioned into believing that what he reads is okay to do. And for the sake of that one child, I will fight this issue.


An interesting case I came across: (and no, I didn’t follow it up, so I don’t know what happened later.)
PITTSBURGH -- A woman who authorities say ran a Web site that published graphic fictional tales about the torture and sexual abuse of children has been indicted on federal obscenity charges.

"Use of the Internet to distribute obscene stories like these not only violates federal law, but also emboldens sex offenders who would target children," U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said Wednesday in announcing the charges against Karen Fletcher, 54.

Excerpts of her stories were available to all visitors to her Web site, while others paid to read whole stories, prosecutors said.

Fletcher was indicted by a federal grand jury Tuesday on six counts involving six stories about the kidnapping, torture, sexual molestation and murder of children 9 and under. The charges carry five years in prison each.


So I guess both sides of this argument is moot until somebody can find/do actual research on the matter. We may agree, I believe, to disagree. Like Daddycums says, the horse is dead. We are heading in the direction of feeding the pulverised remains to other horses with our arguments.
I do want to make one concession, though – pedophilia, which is a sexual attraction to minors of thirteen years and younger, is not the same as ephebophilia, which is sexual fascination with children aged fourteen to seventeen. This, for me, is a soft limit –children certainly grow up much faster these days than many years ago. If a teenager is willing and happy to have sex with somebody of their own age group, the issue becomes a murky grey area when they have sex with an adult. Is it still abuse? I think not necessarily, but yes, it is still an immensely stupid thing to do, for both the child and the adult. So while I feel that there should be an age limit on stories (let us not open THAT can of worms, however!) I agree it is not as simple as that. This is not a clean-cut issue.

For example:
“In research environments, specific terms are used for chronophilias: for instance, ephebophilia to refer to the sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents, hebephilia to refer to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals, and pedophilia to refer to the sexual preference for prepubescent children. However, the term pedophilia is commonly, but incorrectly, used to refer to any sexual interest in minors below the legal age of consent, regardless of their level of physical, mental, or psychological development. Acting upon ephebophilic preference is illegal when the adolescent is below the legal age of consent (e.g. statutory rape).”

“Research concerning the effects of pornography is inconclusive on the issue of crime. Some studies support the contention that the viewing of pornographic material may increase rates of sexual crimes, while others have shown no effects, or a decrease in the rates of such crimes. However, most of these studies focus on various correlations, and correlation does not imply causation.”



I am not trying to tell anybody what to believe, I am merely defending my opinion, which is the same thing you are doing. That is the point of having a debate, after all. Nobody has ever been convinced that their opinion is wrong through argument and discussions on the matter – the idea is to get people to think about different sides of the coin. I’ve certainly been doing a lot of that these past few days, and I found it an educating process. On some points I came to agree with those of you who are pro-pedo-stories, and on others I disagree vehemently. I don’t feel the need to prove to anybody that they are wrong. That’s just stupid, and I like to believe that of all my many faults, stupidity isn’t one of them.


Yes, thirteen year olds are definitely interested in sex – in learning about it at their own pace, and experimenting a little with themselves and maybe a close friend. However, to rush the process by having sex before they are fully ready, will only result in feelings of guilt and being hurt and by screwing up their sex-lives for many years to come. It’s kind of like the argument that babies need to crawl before they can walk, which is why people should avoid walking rings.

But my conclusion remains the same – I am glad that pedo stories are now banned. If research could prove that fictional pedophilia will lead to fewer cases of real-life children being molested, I will be one of the first to sit down and write a story about an eight year old nympho, if only to protect a few children. But I just don’t believe that this is the case. Yes, my response is emotional to a certain extent, but as I can’t find research to back me up,(nor you either, so don't feel smug) that is what I am reduced to – common sense, moral values and the belief-system in which I was brought up. This is not a scientific study, nor is the subject matter a scientifically pin-pointable issue, so I do not believe humanity will ever reach a point of full consensus regarding this matter. There is no proof – there is only what we believe or want to believe. And that’s the ugly truth.

 

Anyone heard of short arguements, these story length responses maybe ok for some but to me, you might have typed four lines then zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz as thats what it is, for or against.

 

AGAIN. You have bumped this thread AGAIN. For THIS.

Maybe you cannot handle reason. Perhaps you are cognitively deficient.

Mirrors can be remarkably effective palliatives.



Open letter to Eric the Red:

Two things.

First order of business: Either on this thread, or on some other, I threw down the gauntlet and proposed an unofficial CAW: To see who could post a story and get banned without breaking the forum's rules.

You never responded.

No matter. I have posted the first shot across the bow, a story with a poll, called REPLICATOR. This story does not break the forum's rules. Yet I predict that it WILL offend just about everyone; it WILL be reported, and it WILL be removed. (I would love to be proven wrong.)

Your move, my friend.

Second order of business: I have checked out the XNXX Hentai thread that you have linked.

I have this to say:

If there were any proof, whatsoever, that words or graphics depicting underaged sex could cause otherwise ordinary people to turn into pedophiles, the images on that thread would be illegal, and the thread would have been deleted long ago. Therefore, because that thread continues to exist, I officially side with you and state my position that the age restrictions in this Story Forum have no rational justification, apart from the need to appease fee-paying advertisers.

Sincerely yours,
and hoping that you are well,

clarise

 

The underage story lovers here will not touch the definition quoted by you from The American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary because it says what I've been saying all along. Those who fantasize about engaging in sexual activity with a child or children are pedos. End of.

You've already seen how they will not answer an argument. So your words are wasted on the pedos here in trying to reason with them. I've given up on the sick fucks myself. Trying to reason with these irrational freaks isn't worth my time.

 

Hey Joe!

 

Hear, hear!

I have said above that I agree with Eric the Red that the rules here are irrational.

Yet I also agree with Hornypixy that pedophilia is clinically defined in terms of that which induces titillation (in this respect, the notion of sexual congress between adults and children).

I also agree with BostonMassTina, AmasVeritas, SpecialKay and others from GD who have weighed in on this topic that stories with themes of pedophilia are gateway drugs for those possessing a predisposition toward pedophilic tendencies.

I also agree with Daddycums that those same stories can serve as a harmless (victimless) outlet to select individuals who are capable of discerning the difference between reality and fantasy, and either can control themselves or happen to live in a situation such that fate will seldom ever tempt them.

I also agree with the decision of the site owners to restrict/ban stories involving sex between children and adults. (If the site were mine, I would do the same.)

The little story that I have just posted is not intended to titillate anyone at all, let alone pedophiles. It would make any normal person's skin crawl. It does not contain sex (between humans, at any rate). It does not break the forum rules. Yet it will offend just about everyone who reads it, because it is an allegory about this topic, which absolutely refuses to die and has come to monopolize the board.

Is there anything that anyone has said, on this topic, that I do not agree with? No, not really. Ultimately it is just an assembly of opinions. People have them, and they are entitled to them. Personally I question how anyone could come onto a PORN FORUM and take a moral stand on anything. Personally, I couldn't do it. But other people apparently can. And they are entitled to do so.

Ugh.

Happy Memorial Day.

 

Look, everybody, ELaken-Palmer posted a new profile picture of himself! good work, buddy, we are SO proud of you! Remember, just because you have a learning problem, doesn't make you stupid.

Instead, what makes you stupid is the fact that you're an idiot. Get over yourself. You're like a drop-out highschool bully who hits the intelligent kid because he doesn't have anything clever to say back at him. You're the guy who called the girl with glasses four-eyes, and the one who droolled on his paper when he fell asleep during a test because he didn't know what the answers were.

I'm normally not this insulting, but man, you asked for it. Just because you don't agree with Joe Dirty's well-put argument, and don't have anything intelligent to reply with, you fall back on mankind's oldest comeback - a lame insult. So yeah, i'm waiting to see how you'll reply to me now. What are you going to post, a picture of a fat girl with buck-teeth? Or will you call me something really clever? Like a dumb c*nt bitch? Oh yeah, that'll tell me, all right.