Okay. Maybe he went overboard. (Goodness knows I have never done that.)

Is it really a bias, that white parents who have been struggling to have children of their own would desire to adopt a reasonable (though superficial) approximation of themselves?

If it's a bias, fine. Whatever it is, the fact is that white parents do adopt all races. Black parents seldom ever adopt Asians or whites. It is so rare that I have failed to find a single comparative study.

I am still wondering at that, and resisting the urge to speculate as to causes. But I do know this: for the New York Times to claim bias on the part of white adoptive parents, when the bias among black adoptive parents is a hundred times worse, is par for the course for that pathetic rag, and demonstrates why I flat-out refuse to read it.

 

Trying to make up their minds!!!.... if they already haven't made up their minds after 152 of your outstanding posts then the likely hood of it now is highly unlikely......gawd forbid even Elcas who started this shite for you has even cleared off.

 

El Casanova is studying for exams. On the basis of the quality of his posts on XNXX I am confident that he will do well. I look forward to his return to XNXX as I always do, and particularly to his return to this thread.

I cannot say the same for you, because you have done nothing to advance what is a serious topic.

If what I am saying is true, that truth has legitimate policy implications. If what I am saying is false, it should be easy to prove that it is false without invective.

Public policy that is based on scientific assumptions that are not true nearly always has unfortunate results.

 

So now you decide that everyone that disagrees with your thesis is living a lie or are delusional. How then is it that you are in the minority with your belief that intelligence and crime are wrapped in the DNA?

 

Scientific truths cannot be determined by public opinion survey's. In the United States large percentages do not believe in the greenhouse effect, and in evolution.

During the late 1960s and early 1970s white blue collar workers left the Democratic Party, and became a Republican constituency. This was because they knew the Democratic Party was defensive of black interests. Unlike those who have benign opinions of blacks, these white workers saw blacks up close every day and knew what they were like.

White liberals who pretend to believe that blacks are not dangerous usually avoid black neighborhoods, especially after dark. They do not send their children to black public schools. In other words, while they disagree with me verbally - and often with emotion - they behave as though they agree.

One can still argue that although blacks have high crime rates everywhere in the world that they live it is not they, but whites, who are responsible for the crimes they commit. I doubt that there are many people who genuinely believe that.

The reasonable conclusion on the basis of all that is known about that race, is that it is inherently violent and criminal. A plausible explanation for high rates of black crime is that the race is less evolved. Qualities that had survival value in the African jungle earn one felony convictions in a civilized country, and sometimes a date with the executioner.

 

A serious topic!!!!, you've got to be kidding me, though I know you're not......I think this topic is shite so why should I even try to debate it, and especially with you who is close minded to anyone else's opinions on the subject.

What this thread is is a grandstand for you to spew out your bigoted crap about why black people across the world are inferior to you.

 

I begin to question whether you believe your own propaganda or are just doing it to provoke a response.

The obvious reason for people committing crimes is usually due to environmental reasons and not down to genetics. If it is genetic like you espouse post the proof, show us the "rogue gene" that causes all these horrific crimes.

 

WHY, yet again, do you refer to WHITE LIBERALS. Just as you did when posting about a school in Washington D.C.

Is it something to do with your political beliefs, because if so then how can ANYONE believe that your posts are UNBIASED...

Maybe you should start reading the Bell Curve, because until you do NO-ONE is taking your posts seriously.
Considering your only response to ANY post that disagrees with your view of a perfect world, just happens to be "refute what I say."

Do you seriously think that the highly educated academics who have spoken out against the Bell Curves findings, did so with NO evidence to substantiate their comments. Get real because they know that their reputation is on the line, and NO highly educated academic is going to put their livelyhood up for public ridicule without first having the sources to back up their comments...

 

I do not know why you debate this issue either. You do not seem to know very much about it. Your mind is clogged with liberal platitudes, and little else.

As I have pointed out previously my mind is quite open to scientific evidence that blacks are biologically equivalent to whites. That would need to consist of statistics demonstrating that since the civil rights legislation was signed in the United States black rates of crime and illegitimacy declined and their performance in school and on mental aptitude tests rose dramatically.

Evidence would also need to consist of statistics showing how well black countries in Africa are doing now that they are no longer oppressed by European colonialism.

Because these statistics do not exist those of your persuasion can only derogate people like me who insist on telling the truth.

 

In the interests of maintaining some kind of rigour in this 'debate', I'd quite like to see this answered.

I've seen an awful lot of people picking at tiny points in Distant Lover's posts, as well as simply resorting to ad hominem in what looks rather like an attempt to make themselves feel better, but very few - if anyone, perhaps barring Clarise - have made any concerted effort to answer the broad questions that he poses.

 

We do not derogate you, most of us are undecided whether to pity you for your life failures or to worry that you believe such utter garbage because it makes your personal failures other peoples faults.

 

I have succeeded in some things in life. I have known disappointments. Somehow during the course of my life I have acquired a good English prose. I have also accumulated a fair amount of erudition. Unlike those on the left and the right on this forum who flame me, I present my opinions calmly, civilly, and rationally. This has been acknowledged in a back handed sort of way by some who disagree with me. It is obvious in this thread.

I do not blame blacks for my personal failures. I do blame them for what I dislike about the United States. Without them we would have a much lower crime rate. Admittedly, the slave trade was not their fault. I greatly regret it. To the best of my knowledge none of my ancestors benefited from it.

Those who read many of my posts know that on most issues I am a fairly liberal Democrat. I revere the memory of Franklin Roosevelt, and the New Deal. I am thoroughly Keynesian in my approach to economics.

I like cities, and downtown areas of cities. I dislike suburbs and cars. I like public transportation, public libraries, public recreational facilities, public this and public that. Unfortunately in the Untied States blacks have taken over downtown areas of many American cities, and made them dangerous.

Without blacks the downtown areas of our once proud cities would be known for atmospheric restaurants and taverns, coffee houses, book stores, used book stores, theaters, museums, art gallerias, and other aspects of urban civilization that I enjoy. Urban neighborhoods would be safe after dark. They would not be known for the sound of gun fire and police sirens.

Because black social pathology did not disappear as the result of the civil rights movement, but became worse, the white working class in the United States became a Republican constituency. This has had benefits. Because the prison population has tripled since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 the crime rate has declined.

http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/lawenforcement/punishment.pdf

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Unfortunately, the Republican dominance of the United States has lead to the increased wealth and power of a white upper class that is as dangerous to the economic well being of white blue collar workers as the black underclass is to their physical safety.

 

Here's the funny thing about DL and the Bell Curve. What he's saying isn't falsifiable. The studies have been done; he cites genuine research. It all boils down to 'what do you believe to be the cause', and the vociferous reaction of many people to what he says is far more telling that one might imagine.

There's a lot of anecdotal jsutification for a lot of what he says. In my primary school there was one black child; in my highschool, less than five. In my University halls there was one - who dropped out - and in all the courses I took I met two, one of whom dropped out. Now I am at college, I see very few black students.

I have never met a black teacher.

Why is this, do you suppose? The prevailing 'black/ghetto' culture that sucks them in? Perhaps. Or is it that they're not as well suited to academic pursuits as other subsets of homo sapiens?

If it's all environmental, why do they seem so content with their lot? Why do they choose to perpetuate such damaging stereotypes about themselves? How many black people do you know who've worked themselves up from very humble beginnings to a life of prosperity?

How many white people do you know who've done the same?

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Something is amiss here. We, as whites, are all very much at home with making intellectual distinctions within our own colour, so to speak; we bemoan the lack of apprenticeship schemes, nod knowingly when a fellow parent says that their child isn't good at maths but he's good at woodwork or sports, and we readily acknolwedge the academic/trades/sports divide. We readily acknolwedge that some people are just not wired right to do sums, but they'll fix your plumbing in a jiffy.

Why is it so repulsive to extend that to race?

 

Perhaps the most fascinating friend I have had in my life was a black college professor of freshman English. When I knew him he was working on a PhD. To fulfill his foreign language requirement he was learning ancient Greek. Because he was already fluent in German and French I asked him why he was learning such a difficult language.

"I want to show those white boys what I can do," he answered.

Because he was attractive and charming most of the girls in his freshman English classes had crushes on him. He had too much integrity to take advantage of that, however.

 

Unfortunately bleeding hearts are quick to judge, quick to anger and slow to understand.

Distant Lover has made some fine points, but it's easy for those riding the blind bandwagon of misunderstanding to fail to see the truth.

 

Yes richief. The answer please. :neutral:

 

Thank you for your kind words.

I think those "riding the blind bandwagon of misunderstanding" do indeed "see the truth." If they could answer my arguments they would. They do not because they cannot. That is why they get so angry and throw all those puerile insults at me. If what I say is false it should be easy to demonstrate.

 

Because I'm attempting to remain largely impartial here, I have to take very serious issue with that statement there. Something are very difficult to falsify, but that does not make them any more true.

 

But on the other hand D.L. has yet to answer some of the questions posed to him..NO-ONE is "picking at tiny points" but they are trying to UNDERSTAND how someone, WHO has said that they have NOT read the Bell Curve, can be so CLOSED-MINDED to other explainations.
Considering that there are plenty of sources around who would DISPUTE the Bell Curve findings, just that people like you will say that the source is un-reliable or unverifiable because it DID NOT come from a UNIVERSITY accepted source...

What is a great laugh is that a few posts ago YOU called into question my use of Wikipedia links, citing that Wikipedia is Falsifiable, Un-credible and Un-reliable. STRANGE how you jump to support Distant Lover on this cause, and even call what he is saying "NOT FALSIFIABLE" EVEN though Distant Lover HAS used Wikipedia links in this thread..

Just what is it, Wikipedia links are fine to use ONLY if they agree with your point of view..

 

Well, Chris, congratulations on completely losing sight of the point!

The point is that the statistics DL is referring to are backed up by gov't studies that he is linking to. Studies that indicate increasing disparity between white and black children, and other such things. The conlusions he draws, based on these, are conjecture, and DL has always been careful to say he believes them to be true. But the fact remains that conjecture they remain, and until science answers the question once and for all, they remain unfalsifiable. That is not to say that they are correct.

Have you read the Bell Curve? From what I have seen of excerpts, it 'finds' very little. It strings together data, puts it through a statistical wringer, and then -- nothing. It makes few assertions in the text itself. It leaves the question up to the reader, but its detractors are very quick to imply that it is a racist text.

This represents the fundamental problem I have with DL's logic: his basic facts are not in dispute. The conclusions he draws represent a leap of logic or, if you will, are guilty of the 'correlation is not causation' fallacy.

I noted you pointed out that DL used graphs from Wiki, and argued that they were unreliable. You were right to do so. I would advise that you take a step back - a few steps back - and read what I've said carefully. You are, if you will allow me to misquote, being hoisted by your own retard.