Okay, I can accept us making the trade and a man is innocent until proven guilty. However, the military needs to investigate this fully and if he did in fact desert his post, he needs to be held accountable. If what they're saying is true, men died because of him and they have no business letting Bergdahl walk.

For some strange reason though, I think the Pentagon has known the truth for a long time. If he was a deserter, the thought of Obama hugging Bergdahl's parents makes me sick. I'm not an Obama supporter but I hope that isn't the case.

 

one of the main issues that will confuse the real issues will be who will be assigned to interrogate bergdahl
it would be easy for the DOD to assign some hard wired "everyone is a traitor" asshole that will just deny everything
or they could opt for some "just forgive him" type that will not bother to do a thorough investigation

did he walk away freely? im not 100% sure of that because there is no actual evidence that he did
there was not an initial investigation as to whether it was a desertion or a capture
there was a search but they never once looked into what actually happened
now there was a known issue with him prior to this MIA deal
he had asked that if he was to walk to (i believe it was india) would it be an issue if he took non security items
then there was the ply-wood and sand bag bunker that he had built
a decent lawyer could quickly get a mental distress claim going and have the charges dismissed with a few years in a psychiatric facility

but for the most part this has been made into an issue because elections are coming up soon and the GOP is using EVERYTHING they can to do as much damage to the people of the US as possible

 

My problem, as it should be with anyone else in general, is that established policies, protocols and procedures were ignored on the whim for political grandstanding.

Doesn't matter whom sits in the big chair whether one likes them or not, but when said individual chooses to continue to behave in a fashion that defines conduct unbecoming of a Chief Executive, impeachment proceedings are long overdue.

 

congress has known of the negotiations since 2012
there was no breach of protocol or law in this case
the only idea that is being contested is the fact that obama did something that the republicans has begged him to do already

 

Rand Paul: Taliban 5 Trials Might Have Prevented Their Release

Tuesday, 03 Jun 2014 07:14 PM

By Greg Richter
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Republican Sen. Rand Paul has long said the terrorist detainees in the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay should be charged with crimes and given military trials. Now he says that if the United States had done so, the five Taliban members released over the weekend might still be in custody.

"Try them, convict them, and give them a sentence," Paul said Tuesday on Fox News Channel's "Your World with Neil Cavuto."

The five Taliban leaders were released on Saturday in exchange for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who had been held by a Taliban group in Afghanistan for almost five years. Republicans celebrated the release of Bergdahl but criticized President Barack Obama for what they saw as negotiating with terrorists.

Paul's insistence that all Guantanamo detainees should be tried goes back years. He says holding them without charges violates the Constitution, even though they are not U.S. citizens. But some fear that if a detainee is charged and tried, then found not guilty, the government will be forced to release him.

"It can be a military commission. They're not U.S. citizens," Paul told Cavuto on Tuesday. "But try them, convict them, and give them a sentence. I think this [prisoner swap] would have been a little more difficult had they either been given life sentences or given some sentences."

Bergdahl is recuperating in a U.S. military hospital. Meanwhile, videos showed the released Taliban members celebrating a reunion with their families. An agreement forged through the mediating government of Qatar restricts the men to that country for a least one year.

But critics say the five, all high-ranking Taliban members, will eventually return to the field of battle and harm Americans.

Paul is mulling a 2016 run for president, and Cavuto asked him what he would do, as president, if any of the men broke the agreement.

"I would say that there would be a drone with their name on it," said Paul, who is also noted for his opposition to the use of the unmanned military aircraft against U.S. citizens.



so paul would convict everyone even though there is no evidence to convict them on
that is why they had not been tried
there was not enough evidence to even get a jay walking conviction on any of them

 

not so bad these are the ones released

Abdul Haq Wasiq
Thought to be in his early 40s, Wasiq served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and “had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leadership,” according to an internal memo that assessed risk at Guantanamo. He reportedly used his office to support Al Qaeda “and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture.” He also reportedly arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff. Wasiq belongs to the Khogyani Tribe and began his religious training under his father, Muhammad Saleem, who died in 1981.Three years later, he went to study Islam at Warah, a school located on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border near the Khyber Pass. When the Taliban assumed control in Afghanistan, a number of Islamic students, including Wasiq, went to Kabul. Wasiq has been accused by Human Rights Watch of mass killings and torture. According to a report by the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Wasiq “arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods.”





Mullah Norullah Noori
As a senior Taliban military commander, Noori has been described in government reports as a military mastermind of sorts who engaged in hostilities “against U.S. and Coalition forces in Zabul Province.” Noori, who is estimated to be around 46 or 47 years old, has developed close ties to Taliban leader Mullah Omar and other senior Taliban officials, according to a JTF-GTMO report. Noori, who was named as the Taliban governor for the Balkh and Lagman provinces, is wanted by the United Nations for war crimes including the murder and torture of thousands of Shiite Muslims. Noori has been able to remain a “significant figure” to Taliban supporters and sympathizers. According to government records, which are based on conversations with Noori, he grew up in Shajoy where he learned to read and write at a mosque in his village. His father was the imam at the mosque. As a boy, he worked as a farmer on his father’s land. In March 1999, he traveled to Kabul where he met with Mullah Yunis, the commander of the Taliban security base, and expressed interest in joining the Taliban. After the Taliban front lines fell in November 2001, Noori traveled to Konduz where he was trained and worked with Omar. Noori has been implicated in the murder of thousands of Shiites in northern Afghanistan. When asked about the killings, Noori “did not express any regret and stated they did what they needed to do in their struggle to establish their ‘ideal state.’”


Mullah Mohammad Fazi
As the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister, Fazi was held at Guantanamo after being identified as an enemy combatant by the United States. Fazi is an admitted senior commander who served as chief of staff of the Taliban Army and as a commander of its 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] Division. He’s also wanted by the United Nations on war crimes for the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan. According to documents, Fazi “wielded considerable influence throughout the northern region of Afghanistan and his influence continued after his capture.” The Taliban has used Fazi’s capture as a recruiting tool. “If released, detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties” with other terrorist groups, the Guantanamo report says.


Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa
Khairkhwa is the former governor of the Herat province and has close ties with Usama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. According to the Joint Task Force Guantanamo file, Khairkhwa “represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and coalition forces.” Khairkhwa and his deputies are suspected of being associated with an extremist military training camp run by the Al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who was killed in 2006. U.S. authorities have also accused Khairkhwa of becoming a powerful opium trafficker.


Mohammad Nabi Omari
As a senior Taliban leader, Nabi Omari has held multiple leadership roles in various terror-related groups. Pre-9/11, Nabi, who is estimated to be in his mid-40s, worked border security for the Taliban – a position that gave him “access to senior Taliban commander and leader of the Haqqani Network, Jalaluddin Haqqani,” according to the JTF-GTMO report. Born in the Khowst Province of Afghanistan, Nabi Omari and his family were forced to resettle as refugees though In Miram Shah, Pakistan after the Soviet Union’s occupation in Afghanistan. In the late 1980s, Nabi Omari returned to Afghanistan where he fought with the mujahideen against the Soviets. During the early 1990s, he ping-ponged between Taliban-related positions and others, including a stint as a used car salesman. In August 2002, Nabi reportedly helped two al Qaeda operatives smuggle missiles in Pakistan. The weapons were smuggled in pieces and the plan was to reassemble the missiles once all of the pieces had been brought across. Nabi was caught in September 2002 and eventually moved to Guantanamo.

nw maybe I a reading something into these that's not there but I don't think so

 

they knew about the negotiations that's not the law that was broken it was that obama released the without the 30 day notice

 

So what's the scoop, has he become sympathetic to their cause or even radicalised ? 5 years in close captivity and Stockholm syndrome has a high probability of being a factor. Particularly when you have to consider he already gave up his rifle and abandoned his post and his brothers in arms prior to capture.

Likewise, did the US break the Taliban guys? Are they now working for us on the inside? Did we plant tracking devices on them and blow them up when they were reunited with their buddies?

Or was this all one big missed opportunity?

 

into porn i will ask this only once
have you ever served your country in a combat position?
i have for a total deployment time of almost 8 years if you take away the injuries and the training and desk jobs
i counseled soldiers as a skull jockey(as they labeled us psychiatrists and sociologists)
i have watched the transformation of normal humans into killing machines and i have seen the physical and mental changes

and congress can go fuck themselves on some bullshit 30 day rule when they had 2 years to contemplate the fucking thought and failed to
and while i am unimpressed by your failures in research as to who was released you as well failed to understand that the words you used were all conjecture and not fact

and dave has he become sympathetic? most likely he has found some level of identification with his now former captives in that they were his sole source of life for 5 years
they were like a parent of sorts in that they gave him will and sustenance
they provided shelter and protection
even those held for far less time have been found to identify deeply with their captives more convictively

 

Bullshit;


Top congressional leaders were briefed more than two years ago about the possible exchange of five Guantanamo prisoners for American soldier Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, but raised "serious" concerns from the outset about the risks of such a trade, officials say.
House Speaker John Boehner and others provided new details Tuesday about the prior deliberations, and voiced grave concern that the administration charged ahead with the prisoner swap over the weekend without Congress' approval.




Boehner, who called for hearings on the decision, said the administration "never satisfactorily answered" lawmakers' questions and concerns that surfaced from the beginning about the proposed trade. Further, Boehner alleged that the only reason the administration failed to notify Congress is "the administration knew it faced serious and sober bipartisan concern and opposition."

 

they knew of the negotiations but never once challenged the idea
i read the same article that fox news used to blast the administration the same as you and i came away from it with more questions than answers and that is why i looked into who supported the exchange
and yes the republicans did support it back then but since elections are coming up soon they need points and are denying that fact

 

I believe the GOP did challenge the idea, why didn't Obama give the ''30 day notice'', as congress suggested??

I suppose some of the idiots in the GOP actually did support it, I would also suggest that they would have supported it, had their questions been answered, which they were not answered,, which also suggests that, that is the reason Obama did this in 'secret'.

AND,, negotiations with terrorists has not been done historically,, as the cum swallowing media is illustrating.

 

who defines the term terrorist?
because last i knew the nation of quatar was not a terrorist aligned nation

and congress had 2 fucking years to to debate the negotiations and failed to do a fucking thing

take your head out of your tea party as and understand that not every thing is as simple as left or right

 

The talks stopped,, the talks stopped,,nothing more was said about this,between congress and Obama,,THE TALKS STOPPED,, Obama can negotiate with terrorists,, but I'll be damned if he will negotiate with the GOP.

The hell it aint,, it is just that simple,,it is as simple as ''DEFENDING THE U.S. CONSTITUTION'',, or tearing the Constitution to shreds, claiming the U.S. Constitution is a ''LIVING DOCUMENT'', which the political left is always claiming.

 

damn man you need to stop listen to fox news for a bit and read something that is nonpartisian
the talks never stopped in the last 2 years it was ongoing
congress denied the talks because they could not define the terms

and the constitution is absolute political fodder to be used by the sub intelligent as ammunition against the idocracy
the document has been subtrifuted by every president since its inception
hell even old washington himself violated his promise to uphold an illegal document when he instituted the whiskey tax to pay for a war

 

While you are jumping for those straws,, it wont make your argument any better,, now it's time for me to go and do my part in the contribution of ''man-mad global warming''.

 

Whatever you need to tell yourself

 

Four reasons why Pres Obama did not abide by the 30-day notice required by law:

1. He cares nothing for the law or the Constitution unless it fits his current needs.
2. He sought to create a diversion from the VA Scandal
3. He sought to undermine the morale of our troops

4. He wishes to be portrayed as a hero.

He is no hero, and nothing more than a narcissistic madman who should be stripped of his office.

 

Hand-over went OK

Vid of the POW handover;
http://news.sky.com/story/1275050/taliban-releases-video-of-hostage-handover
'...
As one of the helicopters lands, throwing up a cloud of dust, Sgt Bergdahl is led to his rescuers by two men, one leading him by the hand, and another waving a white cloth tied to a wooden stick.
Most of the Taliban have their faces covered with scarves, while Sgt Bergdahl wears his over his shoulders.
After a brief exchange of handshakes between insurgents and US forces, Bergdahl moves unsteadily towards the helicopter....'