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  1. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    You are correct that Clinton was never charged with having secret documents on her server.
    You are incorrect in saying she didn't have secret documents on her server.
    Hillary Clinton had emails on server more classified than top secret - CBS News
    James Comey previously debunked Hillary Clinton's false claim that she had no classified docs on her private email server - TheBlaze
    22 Hillary Clinton Emails Dubbed Top Secret : NPR
    Hillary Clinton Defies Subpoena, "Wiped Her Server Clean' | National Review
     
  2. anon_de_plume

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    Read what I wrote again. I said Top Secret. The other aspect you neglect to mention is that Trump had papers that he refused to return, and even now some are speculating that he still has other documents. I don't recall hearing any kind of obstruction on Hillary's case. You also still refuse to accept Senator Grassley's investigation. He found no laws broken.

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016...et-it-right-on-clintons-email-deletion-229469

    Seems you need another vacation.
     
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  3. shootersa

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    Yes, you did say TOP SECRET.
    So did this article
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-had-emails-on-server-more-classified-than-top-secret/
    "Hillary Clinton's private email server contained information that was classified at a higher level than "top secret," the inspector general of the intelligence community told members of Congress in a letter obtained by CBS News.​

    The server Clinton used as secretary of state contained "several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the [intelligence community] element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET/SAP levels," the inspector general, Charles McCullough, wrote in the letter, which was first reported by Fox News. "SAP" stands for special access programs, which carry a classification level higher than top secret."​

    And yes, Hillary did indeed obstruct justice, that was noted in this article Shooter referenced;
    Hillary Clinton Defies Subpoena, "Wiped Her Server Clean' | National Review
    "Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton failed to provide any new documents to the congressional panel investigating the Benghazi terrorist attacks, instead notifying the committee that she has “wipe[d] her server clean,” the lead investigator announced.

    “After seeking and receiving a two week extension from the Committee, Secretary Clinton failed to provide a single new document to the subpoena issued by the Committee and refused to provide her private server to the Inspector General for the State Department or any other independent arbiter for analysis,” Representative Trey Gowdy (R., S.C.), the chairman of the select committee investigating the attacks, announced Friday evening.

    “We learned today, from her attorney, Secretary Clinton unilaterally decided to wipe her server clean and permanently delete all emails from her personal server,” he continued. “While it is not clear precisely when Secretary Clinton decided to permanently delete all emails from her server, it appears she made the decision after October 28, 2014, when the Department of State for the first time asked the Secretary to return her public record to the Department.”
    It would seem that anon is the one who could probably use a vacation. Either he didn't read the articles Shooter provided or he didn't understand what they said.
     
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      Wonderful.
      You have a nice day.
      Keep practicing..
       
      shootersa, Sep 13, 2022
  4. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    Is it too late for Jeff Sessions or Bill Barr to convene a Federal Grand Jury to investigate and indict Hillary. Let me check. Yeah. Apparently time ran out on that one.

    Trump's defense attorneys may try to use this at his trial, but the legal principle of prorsus coitus pertinet (totally fucking irrelevant) will likely apply.

    On the other hand, when Trump is sentenced, he is free to mention that he let Hillary off the hook, when asking for leniency.
     
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  5. shootersa

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    Well, shooter wishes despicables would get their trump perp walk if it would once and for all get them to move beyond trump.
    But, probably it would just encourage them. So, no. Keep investigating, keep trying, something just might stick afterall.
     
  6. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    The only thing that is stuck, is Trump, like a bug on flypaper, which will make any kind of a perp walk very difficult.

    By this time, the FBI has talked to every person in the chain of events which ended with top secret government documents being hidden at Mar Lago, so the investigation is over for all practical purposes. Somebody filled the boxes and somebody applied the packing tape. Another person loaded the truck and somebody else drove it to Florida. I doubt any of them found it difficult to cooperate with law enforcement.

    It would be unfair to say Trump was the master mind, because masterminds are usually quite smart and the entire debacle demonstrates that Trump is incredibly stupid. In the beginning a lot of smart people thought Trump would be useful for their purposes. They slowly realized that Trump's stupidity was toxic and anyone who was exposed to high levels would suffer. They have now backed into the shrubbery like Homer Simpson. All that is left for Trump is people who either arrived stupid, or absorbed too much toxic stupidity. As tough as life is for a stupid person, it's tougher when their lawyer is stupid.

    One of Trump's lawyers signed a sworn affidavit stating she had searched Mar Lago and no more classified documents remained on the premises. Of course, the FBI had already talked to the guys who carted all the boxes into Mar Lago and knew it was bullshit. It would take an idiot attorney to lie under oath to the FBI, but it would take an even bigger idiot to take Donald Trump's word that he was telling the truth.

    Trump thought Mar Lago was an impregnable fortress, but it turned out to be the worlds largest glue trap.
     
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  7. shootersa

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    Well then we can expect despicables will finally get their perp walk.
    Finally!
     
  8. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    It will be a barefoot perp walk. He'll have to leave his Salvatore Ferragamo lace ups in the glue trap.
     
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    Shooter likes Bron's optimism.
     
  10. stumbler

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    As always you can never trust the links @shootersa posts because they most often do not say what he is pretending the do.


     
  11. stumbler

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    Hillary Clinton Says Trump Should Get No Special Treatment Because He’s No Longer POTUS: ‘No One Is Above the Law’
    By Sarah RumpfSep 11th, 2022, 3:55 pm
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    Hillary Clinton doesn’t think former President Donald Trump should get any special treatment in the investigation into possible classified information at Mar-a-Lago, telling CNN’s Dana Bash that because he was no longer president, the rule of law should apply to him like it would any other American.

    Clinton was on State of the Union Sunday, and after sharing some of her memories of Queen Elizabeth II, Bash asked the former secretary of state about the FBI search at Mar-a-Lago.


    “You said this week that you ‘don’t want to prejudge’ because you have been prejudged in your life,” said Bash, referring to comments Clinton made on The View about the investigations into her “infamous emails,” which cleared her, “but you’ve dealt with classified information as former secretary of state, as a senator.”


    “If the Justice department decides that former President Donald Trump actually committed a crime, do you think he should be treated like any other citizen?” asked Bash. “Or should the DOJ take into account the potential real-world consequences of indicting a former president and potential 2024 candidate?”


    Clinton began diplomatically, calling the decision to charge a former president a “really hard call” and saying that she “cannot predict” what the DOJ would do, “but I do think the rule of law holding people accountable is central to our nation.”


    She emphasized, “both as secretary of state and as a private citizen, I have answered every question I’ve ever been asked, I’ve testified for 11 hours,” and had otherwise cooperated “in anything that was asked of me to try to answer any kind of issue.”


    “I really believe that, at the end of the day, no one is above the law and no one should be escaping accountability, if indeed the facts in the evidence point to them having done something that anyone else in our country would be investigated for and maybe even charged,” she said.

    “So it sounds like you’re saying that he should be treated like he would if he was Donald J. Trump, somebody who was a civilian, an average citizen, not a former president or potential candidate?” asked Bash.


    “I do, because he’s not the president,” replied Clinton, so while “we do have some special exceptions for someone actually in the office,” that would no longer apply to Trump.


    “I do think that, just like any American, if there is evidence, that evidence should be pursued,” she concluded.
    “But I know it’s not an easy call. And so I don’t want to inject my opinion into that difficult calculation. Because I don’t know all the facts. And unlike people who jump to conclusions, I don’t want to do that. But if the evidence proves or seems to show that there are charges that should be leveled, then I think the rule of law should apply to anyone.”

    Watch the video above, via CNN.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary...-hes-no-longer-potus-no-one-is-above-the-law/

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  12. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    It's the inevitable consequence of a reserved pew in the amen corner.
     
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      And on other threads its @shootersa that is accusing other people of being liars.
       
      stumbler, Sep 13, 2022
  13. shootersa

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    Of all of the people who were or are in Government service, Hillary Clinton is the last person who ought to be offering an opinion about Trump and his documents. All Hillary is doing is turning the floodlight back on her own curious behavior when it came to classified documents and transparency in dealing with investigations.
     
  14. anon_de_plume

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    And you still refuse to accept the judgement of not one, not two, but three investigations into her email. And one of them was conducted by Senator Grassley under Trump!

    And if you want to include 11 different investigations into Benghazi, you could say that Hilary is the most (if only one of the most) investigated politicians in American history.
     
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  15. shootersa

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    Shooter can see anon is confused. Shooter will attempt to clear up anon's confusion.
    The judgement of those in charge of the investigation(s) into Hillary's e mail and server scandal made their ruling (theoretically) based on the law and the facts at hand.
    Not an issue. Decision(s) final.

    It is fact that a) Hillary had documents that were clearly identified as classified documents on her server and that said server was not considered a proper repository for said documents. You know, any more than a locked room at Mar a Lago is a proper repository for classified documents.
    It is also a known fact that after her server and e mail accounts were subpoenaed, she destroyed evidence sought in the subpoena, in defiance of said subpoena.

    So.
    Of all of the people who were or are in Government service, Hillary Clinton is the last person who ought to be offering an opinion about Trump and his documents. All Hillary is doing is turning the floodlight back on her own curious behavior when it came to classified documents and transparency in dealing with investigations.

    Now do you understand, anon? Shooter is not ignoring the prior legal opinions and outcome of the investigation(s) into Hilary's behavior. The legal system has dealt with that as the people in charge dictated. Those decisions are not the issue here. The issue is what we know about Hillary's behavior dealing with classified documents and in responding to the resulting investigation. She is not the person who should be offering an opinion about Trump.

    Hillary ought to be hiding out in her compound, hoping people will stop making connections between her scandal and Trump's scandal.

    And no, to date Trump investigations are at 30 31 32 33 and counting.
     
    1. stumbler
      You just keep telling this same old worn out lie even after it is proven a lie a few posts up on this thread.

      And its not just the top secret documents Trump stole and took to Mar a Lago. It is how he mishandled classified material for all the times he was in office.

      And I can prove that with a very simple question you of course will not answer. Hey @shootersa what did Trump use for communications for all his time in office?
       
      stumbler, Sep 13, 2022
  16. anon_de_plume

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    And yet, no charges.
     
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    You are correct. No charges.
    You understand, that doesn't change the reality that Hillary had clearly marked secret documents on her server and she obstructed justice when she defied the subpoenas. The lack of charges means the prosecutors did not believe they could make a case for criminal charges. It doesn't change the facts though, does it?
     
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    1. stumbler
      And again you just try to tell this same lie again even after it is proven a lie just a few posts up.

      So here's another question you will not answer. Hey @shootersa did anyone in the Trump administration use private email?
       
      stumbler, Sep 13, 2022
  18. stumbler

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    This is a rhetorical question. Trump is a mentally ill hoarder and career criminal so of course he is still hanging onto top secret material. And the DOJ needs to search every property Trump has to get out nation's secrets and our presidential records back.

    House Oversight Committee questions whether Trump is still hanging onto more documents: report

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    According to a report from CNN, the House Oversight Committee has instructed the National Archives to investigate whether Donald Trump may still be in possession of government documents.

    In a letter from the committee, Chairperson Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) is asking that the NARA request a "personal certification" from the former president that he has turned everything over.

    CNN reports that the letter states: "In light of the serious risk that Mr. Trump may still be retaining sensitive government records at Mar-a-Lago or his other properties, I urge NARA to seek a personal certification from Donald Trump that he has surrendered all presidential records that he illegally removed from the White House after leaving office."

    Maloney added, "I also ask that the agency conduct an urgent review of presidential records recovered from the Trump White House to assess whether presidential records remain unaccounted for and potentially in the possession of the former president."

    IN OTHER NEWS: Tennessee alderman caught on camera yelling racial slurs -- for the second time this year

    The letter comes as DOJ officials battle with the former president's lawyers over hundreds of pages of documents that a Trump-appointed judge has made off-limits to investigators, with Trump asking for a special master to review them.

    Last month's unprecedented FBI raid on Trump's Palm Beach, Florida Mar-a-Lago home saw thousands of government records, including the highly classified materials, retrieved.

    Much of it was mixed together into dozens of boxes with Trump personal records and other things like clothing and media clippings.

    The government has maintained that Trump has no right to any of the official government records, which belong to the National Archives, and especially not to the classified materials.

    ALSO IN THE NEWS: 'I don't understand what Lindsey Graham really is thinking' with latest proposal: Senate colleague

    It has not detailed what is in the classified documents, but media reports say some are extremely restricted, and the Washington Post reported that one deals with a foreign country's nuclear program and nuclear defenses.

    The Justice Department cited the law on retaining defense materials and the law against destruction of government records for the raid.

    It also cited obstruction of justice, after Trump and his attorneys told the FBI in June there were no more government or classified records in Mar-a-Lago.

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-documents-mar-a-lago-2658204314/
     
  19. anon_de_plume

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    And you sound like you saw them yourself. What's your source?
     
  20. shootersa

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    Your reading comprehension difficulties are becoming tedious.
    If Shooter provides a direct quote from then FBI director James Comey about the top secret documents on Hillary's server will you admit, here on this forum, that Hillary a) Had classified documents on an unsecured server b) Obstructed DOJ/FBI efforts to identify and recover them
    Put up or shut up time.
     
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      I think that's too much of an ask @shootersa. If he hasn't yet, I doubt he will...
       
      Barry D, Sep 13, 2022
    2. stumbler
      Go right ahead @shootersa and I will just post again that none of the top secret information was marked at the time they were sent or received. And what few classified messages Clinton received were not marked classified in the heading or footer.
       
      stumbler, Sep 14, 2022