Talking about propaganda ...............

 

When all they have left is propaganda we know they've seen the fatal flaws in their agenda and are now just trying to win to, you know, win.

Their personal attacks are just more proof that they have nothing of substance left.

 

And you know when “they” take it personally that they’re being compared to nazis that “they’re” unwilling to accept that “they” were too chickenshit to stand up for true American values when “they” needed to. Probably because it wasn’t fashionable with their 2A buddies on Facebook.

 

Mar-a-Lago: the lax security of Trump’s alternative ‘White House’ – visualized

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Andrew Witherspoon, Chris Michael and Richard Luscombe in Miami, Florida
Tue, September 20, 2022 at 12:00 AM·4 min read




Photograph: Joe Raedle/Getty Images

Long before FBI agents found highly classified documents close to public areas of Mar-a-Lago, the Florida resort that Donald Trump calls home, a number of other eyebrow-raising incidents have heightened concerns over the property’s security.

Related: Whitney Houston and nuclear secrets: Trump’s DJ role exposes security flaws

They range from a Chinese national carrying multiple mobile phones and computer malware making it through a Secret Service checkpoint, to a fake heiress breezing in for photographs with the former president, to diners looking over Trump’s shoulder at a laptop displaying top secret information about North Korean missile launches.


Trump branded his waterfront mansion – built in the 1920s for the cereal heiress Marjorie Merriweather Post – his “winter White House” for the duration of his single term in office.

Given Mar-a-Lago’s status as a private club, however, with open access for (predominantly unvetted) members and paying guests to almost every corner of the main buildings and nearby beach club, there’s one way in which it could never match the actual White House: security.

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1 Boxes of classified documents beneath the Great Hall
April 2022: FBI agents found boxes of secret and classified documents in a basement “storage area” beneath the Great Hall, the public hub of the Mar-a-Lago resort.


Trump speaks during a video teleconference at his Mar-a-Lago estate. Photograph: Andrew Harnik/AP
2 Summit with Chinese president in front of guests
April 2017: Trump held an “international summit” with the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, in the living area of the Great Hall in full view of resort members and paying guests.


Trump and Melania Trump welcome Xi Jinping and China’s first lady, Peng Liyuan, at Mar-a-Lago. Photograph: Carlos Barría/Reuters
3 Chinese national detained with malware in lobby
April 2019: Chinese national Yujing Zhang is detained in the lobby after passing through Secret Service security in possession of four cellphones and flash drives containing malware (malicious software designed to infiltrate computers for nefarious purposes). She was receiving a golf cart ride to the club.


An entranceway to Mar-a-Lago. Photograph: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
4 North Korean missile crisis discussed in dining room
February 2017: Trump discussed the North Korean missile crisis in the company of the then Japanese prime minister, Shinzo Abe, in the resort’s open-air dining room, perusing classified materials on a laptop watched by diners and waiters.


Shinzo Abe and his wife, Akie Abe, attend dinner with the Trumps at Mar-a-Lago. Photograph: Carlos Barría/Reuters
5 ‘Fake heiress’ scam artist poses for photos by pool
May 2021: Ukrainian fake heiress and alleged charity scammer Inna Yashchyshyn gains access to Mar-a-Lago, posing for pictures by the swimming pool and, later, with Trump and South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham at nearby Trump International golf club.


An aerial view of Mar-a-Lago. Photograph: Marco Bello/Reuters
6 Boxes of documents found in Trump’s bedroom
August 2022: FBI agents search Trump’s bedroom inside his private quarters at Mar-a-Lago, one of three areas targeted according to the affidavit supporting the search warrant application. It is not known what was found there.

7 Makeshift ‘situation room’ in non-secure office
April 2017: Trump sets up an impromptu “situation room” in an office in order to monitor US missile strikes on Syria. Analysts noted the insecure set-up and presence of officials with no connection to national security.


In this image provided by the White House, Donald Trump receives a briefing on the Syria military strike in a secured location at Mar-a-Lago. Photograph: Shealah Craighead/AP
8 Top secret folders found above Grand Ballroom
August 2022: FBI agents discover dozens of highly classified and top secret folders in an office in a converted bridal suite above the Grand Ballroom. Some of the papers are found stuffed in a desk drawer.


The Grand Ballroom. Photograph: Patrick McMullan/Getty Images
9 Trespasser successfully enters through beach club tunnel
November 2018: Student Mark Lindblom is arrested for trespassing after entering the resort through a tunnel linking Mar-a-Lago to its beach club, passing through security and mingling with guests. Lindblom tells a judge: “I wanted to see how far I could get.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mar-lago-lax-security-trump-060004358.html

 

Trump's hand writing on some of the classified material is actually evidence of two of the three crimes he is being investigated for.


Trump lawyers claim classified documents seized from Mar-a-Lago may be privileged because they contain handwritten notes
C. Ryan Barber,Sonam Sheth
Tue, September 20, 2022 at 1:13 PM·3 min read


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  Trump's lawyers said classified Mar-a-Lago documents could be privileged because they contain his handwritten notes.
  
  
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The Justice Department has not minced words in its appeal for access to classified materials seized from former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home. Without the ability to review those records, it argued, the "government and the public would suffer irreparable harm."

But on Tuesday, Trump's lawyers suggested that those concerns — and clear classification markings — may not be enough to overcome the power of the former president's pen, or Sharpie.

"The fact the documents contain classification markings does not necessarily negate privilege claims," Trump's lawyers said in a new filing with the US Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit. They went on to note that according to court documents, some of the classified records seized from Mar-a-Lago "allegedly contain what appear to be President Trump's handwritten notes."

"Those notes could certainly contain privileged information; further supporting the need for an independent, third-party review of these documents," they added.

Tuesday's filing came in response to the Justice Department's appeal of a court order temporarily halting its review of about 11,000 documents seized from Mar-a-Lago, including more than 100 that were marked classified.

Judge Aileen Cannon refused last week to stay her ruling and appointed Raymond Dearie, a former chief judge of the federal court in Brooklyn, to serve as special master — an outside arbiter who reviews materials and sifts out any that could be covered under attorney-client or executive privilege.

The Justice Department, in appealing Cannon's order, said it "impedes the government's efforts to protect the nation's security." But lawyers for the former president said handwritten notes trumped the urgency of that concern.

Trump has also frequently claimed without evidence that he had a "standing order" to declassify all the records that were moved to Mar-a-Lago. But more than a dozen of his former aides told CNN they had no knowledge of such an order, and Trump's legal team has not made the claim in any of its filings.

In court filings, Trump's lawyers have not echoed his declassification claims, but they have asserted that a current president has absolute authority to declassify information. On Monday, they said the government "has not proven" the records with classified markings were still classified, adding that "this issue is to be determined later."

Dearie, the newly appointed special master, held an initial hearing Tuesday to address how his review process will unfold over the next two months. Ahead of that hearing, Trump's lawyers opposed Dearie's request for more information about the classification status of the seized documents.

The response was notable because Trump's lawyers acknowledged the possibility of an indictment on charges related to the removal of records from the White House.

Handing over information about records' classification status would force Trump to "fully and specifically disclose a defense" that he might use in the event of a "subsequent indictment," his lawyers argued.

The FBI searched Mar-a-Lago on August 8 as part of an inquiry into possible violations of the Espionage Act and other laws, according to a search warrant that was unsealed with redactions. In court filings, the Justice Department has noted that the Espionage Act makes it a crime to retain government records pertaining to the national defense regardless of classification status.

The Justice Department's inquiry is also examining possible violations of laws that criminalize the concealment, removal, and destruction of government records — also regardless of classification level.

Read the original article on Business Insider


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lawyers-claim-classified-documents-191350526.html

 

After this promising beginning, Ratman, the self-professed anti-BS guy, then proceeds to pile up the BS ceiling high.

1) What the hell does their Christianity or lack of it have to do with their immigrant status? I am willing to concede that many, if not most illegals are Christians. But for you to make a broad brush statement like that is unsupportable. Besides, in any case, they're all either illegal Christian or illegal non-Christian immigrants. No one objective, except perhaps you, cares about the religion of these people.

2) By definition, these illegals are going about it the absolutely wrong way -- that's why "illegal alien" is a legal term under US federal law. Under federal law, any non- U.S. citizen is an alien. Aliens who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law as illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate. And all people like you are doing is attempting to normalize their illegal behavior. These people may want a fair shake at the American dream, or they may want a temporary job which just allows them to send money home to support a family, or they may want to blow up a few bridges or bring in some more fentanyl. How the hell do you know what's going through their minds? Unless you're a mind reader, you're not anymore qualified than I am to predict their motives for crossing the border this way. And that part about Grandparents -- that was unnecessary and mean spirited.

3) According to you, they're just "Looking for some food and short term housing? Like 12 hours." RUFKM? I think you forgot a few things, like:

• Direct benefits – These include Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, and workers’ compensation. And if you think that some illegals don't get these benefits through fraud, fake SSN, etc., then you are just uninformed.
  
• Means-tested welfare benefits – There are over 80 of these programs which, at a cost of over $1.1 trillion last year, provide cash, food, housing, medical, and other services to in excess of 100 million low-income Americans (many of which at the state level have now been made accessible to illegals). The major programs include Medicaid, food stamps, the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit, public housing, Supplemental Security Income, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.
• Public education – At a cost of $21,596 in 2021-22 per pupil per year, these services are largely free or heavily subsidized for low-income parents. Border states especially suffer from this through being forced to hire ESL teachers, etc.
  
• Population-based services – Police, fire, highways, parks, and similar services, as the National Academy of Sciences determined in its study of the fiscal costs of immigration, generally have to expand as new immigrants enter a community; i.e., someone has to bear the cost of that expansion.

In 2017, the total cost of illegal immigration for the United States – at the federal, state, and local levels – was approximately $116 billion. FAIR arrived at this number by subtracting the tax revenue paid by illegal aliens – about $19 billion – from the total economic impact of illegal migration, $134.9 billion. In 2013, the estimated total cost of illegal migration was approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. Evidence shows that the tax payments made by illegal aliens fail to cover the costs of the many services they consume. A large percentage of illegal aliens who work in the underground economy frequently avoid paying any income tax at all. Plus, many illegal aliens actually receive a net cash profit through refundable tax credit programs.
(https://www.fairus.org/issue/public...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers)

The numbers above are old numbers, and you can agree with them or not. You can even disagree with some of FAIRs observations. But when you say, when they cross they’re looking for maybe some food and short term housing. Like, 12 hours. Most don’t mind staying in homeless shelters thus implying illegals "do not cost the US much," is ridiculous. And whatever the number was in 2017, wanna bet it's a whole bunch higher now what with inflation kicking in and all?

4) Finally, "...this mass exodus..." (despite your claim), is demonstrably worse now, under Biden, than it was under Trump. Apprehensions at the southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and began an overall general decline, with some fluctuations. That is... (https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/f...ector Apprehensions (FY 1960 - FY 2019)_0.pdf.)
....until now. Now, we've just passed 2 million illegals so far just this year, and expect to finish the year with a record 2.1 million illegal aliens crossing the southern border. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-migrants-expected-in-2022-record-2-1-million).

I don't get it. You claim to be anti-BS, yet....

BTW, I hope my formatting fits your needs.

 

As usual @Scotchlass cuts through the noise and eviscerates a post loaded with lies, propaganda and bullshit.
Thank you

 

*yawn*

just looks like another person upset about something that doesn’t truly affect them to me.

Racism disguised as patriotism.

One thing I know for sure though.

That was some impressive formatting.

 

Well, but its what despicables pretty much default to when confronted with inconvenient facts that don't fit their narrative.

 

This might not seem like much but I think its significant because treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans almost never do anything but parrot what Trump says. And it could be because Senators have better sources inside the DOJ than we do and know things we don't. Like the nature of the classified materials Trump had in Mar a Lago.

GOP senators break with Trump following his 'bizarre' Sean Hannity interview

Bob Brigham
September 22, 2022



Sen. Lindsey Graham / Gage Skidmore


Republican senators are breaking from Donald Trump after his widely-panned claim he could declassify documents just "by thinking about it."

On Wednesday evening, Trump told Fox News personality Sean Hannity that the documents the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago had been declassified.

"If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, 'it's declassified' — even by thinking about it," Trump claimed.

"Bizarre, even for Trump," tweeted Paul Barry, an investigative journalist for Australia's ABC Media Watch, after the interview aired.

IN OTHER NEWS: Mike Lindell swiftly denied by judge after seeking restraining order against FBI over seized phone

Several Republican lawmakers also pushed back against Trump's claims.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told CNN on Thursday, “the process is probably more complicated than that."

He wasn't the only GOP senator who disputed telepathic declassification.

The number two Republican, Sen. John Thune (R-SD), told CNN there is an actual process to declassify documents "and I think it ought to be adhered to and followed. And I think that should apply to anybody who has access to or deals with classified information."

“I think the concern is about those being taken from the White House absent some way of declassifying them or the fact that there were classified documents removed — without sort of the appropriate safeguards,” Thune added. "I think that is what the Justice Department is getting at.”

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) told CNN, “I believe there’s a formal process that needs to go through, that needs to be gone through and documented."


https://www.rawstory.com/trump-declassify/

 

Trump is 'quiet quitting' special master case after making 'terrible blunder': legal expert

Bob Brigham
September 27, 2022



Donald J. Trump works in the Presidential Suite at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center. White House Photo by Joyce N. Boghosian.


Former general counsel of the FBI Andrew Weissmann explained why he thinks Donald Trump is "quiet quitting" his special master case.

Weissmann, alongside former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Harry Litman was interviewed by MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell.

Special master Raymond Dearie ordered Trump's lawyers to secure a document vendor, but in a Tuesday legal filing, the Department of Justice said none of the five major firms want to work for Trump, so the federal government guaranteed payment.

"I think there is something we can take away from what is seems like a small potatoes kind of thing," Weissmann said. "I think what Donald Trump is doing is quiet quitting. He brought this case and he realize he is worth worse off from having brought this case."

Weissman noted reports attorney Chris Kise left only weeks after being paid $3 million.

"I wouldn't want to work on this either," he said.

"So he is really strategically made a terrible blunder," Weissmann concluded.

Watch below or at this link:



https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-blunder/

 

It's beginning to look like the Special Master was a trap set for Trump's legal team.

Jon Sale, who served as Assistant Special Prosecutor for the Watergate investigation and went on to be a high powered corporate and defense lawyer who is well respected in the legal world, met with Trump. The next day, he gave interviews to CNN. He said he didn't take Trump's case because it would need his full attention and require him to drop his current cases. Sure.

He then said Trump's best strategy would be to request a Special Master. The next day, Trump's surviving legal team did just that. Trump's legal team has taken a lot of flak for being bush league, but they followed the advice of a guy who is supposed to be one of the best in the country.

I'm sure the first thing they did was Google "special master", and then thought they'd found the golden ticket.

 

That is a very interesting theory and there seems to even be evidence of it.

First, the special master is turning out to be the worst thing that could happen to Trump in this investigation. Judge Raymond Dearie was one of Trump's picks that the DOJ readily agreed to. And he turns out to be a no bullshit jurist that does not suffer fools and liars. He is now even going after the judge that appointed him for trying to stall his investigation.

Then Trump forks out $3 million for a real high profile lawyer who he has already kicked to the . curb. Most likely because he is not willing to duck and dodge and lie in court.

And now Trump's clown car of lawyers are trying to file objections under seal. But the DOJ always seems to be two or three steps ahead of Trump so they are filing their responses to the objections in public exposing what the Trump team is trying to keep secret.

 

The problem is telling the difference.

Trump is stupid and likely to make bad choices. This stupidity also makes it likely he will step into an obvious trap.

Trump's defense was destined to crash and burn from the start. He was offered an easy way out. All he had to do was send back the classified documents. At that point it was just another Trump thing, among many Trump things.

He chooses to keep some documents and then his lawyers committ perjury. At the poker table, this would be "all in". What made the remaining documents so important, an attorney would risk disbarment? This is what pushed it from background level Trump stupid, to a potential national security threat.

Everybody knows Trump gets most of his information from tv. He would have been watching the Jon Sales interview. If Sales had not talked about the Special Master at Mar Lago, Trump saw it on CNN. The motions are set in motion and there's no stopping it now.

The question remains, is this the result of ordinary Trump stupid, or a carefully crafted trap that takes advantage of Trump's most destructive weaknesses?

 

I will throw one more in here. Trump is undoubtedly stupid and ignorant which are two different things. But as the mental health experts warned for years Trump's FORMS of mental illness makes him create his on delusional reality were he is always the smartest, smartest, toughest, most powerful and infallible. So he really does believe he can do anything he wants and doesn't have to listen to anyone. So to him those documents are his and no one can take them away from him.

But once they did and reality came to bear Trump's brain is reptilian where his only instinct is survival. And so he will do anything once he feels reality closing in to fight it off and so he tries to delay delay and delay. That would make a special master particularly attractive to him. He thought it would buy him time.

 

Stupid is as stupid does.

Here's another possibility. There is folklore about the "Gypsy curse", which dictates that a gypsy curse takes an aspect of a person's character or personality and turns it in on them.

For example, an inherently jealous man will always be in love with a beautiful woman who attracts a lot of attention. In Trump's case, the curse is a particularly viscous one, "You will never follow good advice."

The end stage of this curse is not for the weak of heart.

When someone said "Give back the documents and this will be over", Trump said Fuck you .

When they said Special Master, he says, "Do it." It just keeps getting worse.

 

I hope what you say is true. I hate Trump.

I keep wondering why he is still running around loose.

I would expect the sky to have fallen on him by now. I sure hope it does.

 

Its because the vast majority of the rupukes have enabled him and are still supporting him. They don't care about his various crimes or his attempts at usurping a free and fair election. If the repukes had any sense of honor or decency. The party would have abandoned him right after Jan 6th.