So Trump isn't having trouble finding lawyers to take his FBI case?

 

Hey american hater, did you switch party affiliation to vote for Cheney?

 

Is Trump having trouble finding a lawyer?

 

You drank stumblers Kool aid then, didn't you?

 

Let's just take Rudy Giuliani for example. He was the point man on Trump's attempted coup and yet Trump refused to pay him, he's lost his law license, and right now Rudy is down in Georgia facing Fani Willis who already told him she intends to indict him. That's not the sort of thing reputable lawyers want to take on.



Here's why top lawyers are turning down the 'opportunity of a lifetime' to represent a former president: reporter

Brad Reed
August 17, 2022



President of the United States Donald Trump speaking with supporters at an "An Address to Young Americans" event hosted by Students for Trump and Turning Point Action at Dream City Church in Phoenix, Arizona. Photo by Gage Skidmore.


Former President Donald Trump is facing serious legal jeopardy for retaining top secret national security documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort -- but he's having a very hard time finding top-notch legal minds to defend him.

During a CNN interview on Wednesday, Washington Post reporter Isaac Arnsdorf laid out the woefully inadequate experience that Trump's current legal team has in litigating complex national security cases.

"You've got a former OAN host, you've got a property insurance lawyer who joined the bar in 2014, and you've got someone who leads a three-person firm and used to be the general counsel for a parking garage company," he explained.

Arnsdorf then laid out the reasons why a former president was having so much trouble getting experienced lawyers.

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"Ordinarily, representing the former president in a high-profile case like this would be the opportunity of a lifetime, that all sorts of famous lawyers would be clamoring for," he said. "But, you know, the issue here, and we have seen this before, like if you think back to the Mueller investigation, when Trump had a similar struggle to get really serious, seasoned, well respected lawyers on his team... he doesn't always take advice, he doesn't always pay the bills, and he's very controversial. A lot of firms and a lot of lawyers don't want the headaches that would go along with representing him."

Watch the video below or at this link.




https://www.rawstory.com/trump-lawyers-2657875053/

I do not believe even a Trump lawyer would be stupid and ignorant enough to make an easily probable lie to the court. So as you say it had to be Trump telling the lawyer Honest Injun I don't have any more records and the lawyer was stupid and ignorant enough to believe him. But no matter how it happened that one can't just hang out there in mid air. Let's say Trump has the judge in his back pocket and the judge is willing to overlook the penury. In that case anyone with a law license or even concerned citizen can file complaints with the bar or even higher courts and go after both the lawyer who lied and the judge. Which is incredibly problematic because the bar is only supposed to deal with facts and law. And they know its going to be made public so they cannot afford to get caught lying or covering up.

Also any real lawyer is looking at the fact that most the lawyers who worked on Trump's attempted coup have been reprimanded, sanctioned, fined, or disbarred. But that appears to be just the tip of the iceberg. Many of those same lawyers and some we haven't probably even heard of yet were in on creating the fake electors and tampering with voting machines. The fake electors are under both state and federal investigations and Georgia and other states are investigating the breaking into voting machines and other equipment. That is now an obviously directed effort in multiple states. Serious laws have been broken. And its looking like Trump lawyers orchestrated those efforts.


Which is why Rudy Giuliani is down in Georgia right now taking the 5rh and Jenna Ellis has now been ordered to testify in the same investigation. And they will probably give the underlings a free pass to testify and then go after the lawyers hammer and tongs because they went to law school and passed an exam that says they are supposed to know better.

 

Guess because you deflect with your meaningless question, you're actively ignoring the simple fact your boy is having lawyering problems.

It's funny, but telling the same joke three times is a sure way to lose an audience...

 

Trump is having trouble finding lawyers who care about their reputations. Trump pays lawyers to sue states for election fraud. But when the time comes to present evidence in court, there is none. The shyster lawyers do not care. They take the large fees Trump pays, and laugh all the way to the bank.

 

Trump pays his lawyers based on results. The lawyers who keep him out of prison get paid on time.

The lawyers who tried to keep him in office didn't fare as well.

Eventually, both groups will be holding overdue invoices.

 

You know, the funny thing about Cheney is that her votes always aligned right up there with your Boeberts, your MTGs, and the rest of the typical Republican crowd. The thing that ultimately fucked her over out of her current position? She didn’t support treason. That’s why voters turned on her.

no matter what happens next, the message was sent- the Republican Party is dead. What remains dresses itself up like the typical GOP of old but it is doing very little to hide that it is no more than a cult of facism loving nationalists. Either that, or complete idiots.

 

Cheney lost because she stopped taking care of her constituents business and sold out to Nancy Antoinette.
Cheney will realize how cheaply she sold herself about the time the despicable bus rolls over her.

And the residents of Wyoming have demonstrated how the rest of America needs to vote.

Simply, if the bastards aren't taking care of our business, throw them out and get someone who will take care of our business.

All the rest is just bloviating bullshit, like "She didn’t support treason" and "it is no more than a cult of facism loving nationalists. Either that, or complete idiots"

 

This was true for all four years Trump was in office. He never considered himself a president that works for the American people. He considered himself a dictator and the American people were only there to serve him.

But the reality is all those records and documents were not his. They are OURS the American people.


Trump resisted requests to return stash of documents at Mar-a-Lago, saying 'it's not theirs, it's mine,' NYT reports
Mia Jankowicz
Wed, August 17, 2022 at 5:00 AM·2 min read

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  Trump pushed back on requests to return documents, calling them "mine", several sources told NYT.
  
  
• A report said Trump's lawyers tried in vain to have them returned. Many were later seized by the FBI.
  

Under US law, all White House records belong to the government, not the person who was president.

Former President Donald Trump railed against attempts by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to retrieve a trove of documents, saying "it's not theirs, it's mine," according to The New York Times.

That is the response that several advisors told the paper that Trump gave to White House counsel Pat Cipollone and his deputy Patrick Philbin.

The two men were given the job of dealing with NARA in the chaotic closing weeks of Trump's presidency.

The Times, citing unnamed sources, described their interactions with Trump as the FBI investigated what became of the information.

Trump ended up taking several dozen boxes with him when he left the White House, moving them to his Florida home, Mar-a-Lago.

Fifteen boxes were returned in January 2022, NARA confirmed in a statement in February.

Further materials on June 3 after the Justice Department issued a subpoena, per The Times, while more were taken on August 8 when the FBI executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago.

The Times' reported claim suggests Trump considers the materials to be his personal property.

In fact, all documents accrued by a US president in the course of his work belong to the government itself under the Presidential Records Act, which was passed in the wake of the Watergate scandal.

The Times report added to a series of reports and rumors around Trump's attitude to presidential documents, which ranges from careless to shrewd. Trump has variously been reported to have torn up, burned, flushed, and even eaten documents — some of them sensitive.

In response to the report, published in The Times, that Trump flushed documents away, he said in a statement that he had been advised he was "under no obligation" to preserve them.

This is contrary to the Presidential Records Act, which requires presidents to preserve such materials.

A representative for Trump did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

Read the original article on Business Insider

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-resisted-requests-return-stash-110043737.html

 

Inside the frantic, final days of record-keeping that landed Trump in hot water

Gerald Herbert/AP Photo

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Daniel Lippman, Meridith McGraw and Jonathan Lemire
Tue, August 16, 2022 at 5:00 PM·8 min read

Standing amid half-packed boxes in early 2021, staffers in the West Wing grabbed packages of presidential M&M’s and tried to obtain giant photos of the president and the first couple that adorned the walls, eager for a memento from their White House service.

Trump-themed accessories and memorabilia were snagged. Aides stood in empty offices and tried to find a moment to secure presidential greetings for a loved one’s upcoming birthday or anniversary.

It was part free-for-all, part fire sale. Souvenirs were kept, records were indiscriminately thrown away. The Oval Office and its adjacent private dining room were only packed up the weekend before former President Donald Trump moved out, former aides said.

So-called “burn bags” were widely present, according to two former Trump White House officials, with red stripes marking ones that held sensitive classified material meant to be destroyed. Such bags, according to Mark Zaid, an attorney well-steeped in national security law, are common. But one former official said that staff would put seemingly non-classified items in there too, such as handwritten letters and notes passed to principals. Zaid said it wasn’t necessarily improper to dispose of non-classified information this way, provided it was done under the confines of the law. But those who observed the process later conceded that it was not entirely clear if documents should have been headed to the National Archives instead of the incinerator.


It was in those tumultuous moments that — investigators allege — boxes containing classified material were packed and sent to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home.

Nineteen months later, Trump’s handling of presidential records and West Wing material has landed him in unprecedented legal peril. Last week, the FBI resorted to getting a warrant to retrieve those items, which, the bureau said, included four sets of top-secret documents and seven other sets of classified information.

But his approach to those final days was often echoed throughout the White House, as recounted in interviews with more than a dozen ex-White House officials and advisers, who spoke on condition of anonymity to candidly describe the last days.

The final, frenzied pack up of Trump’s 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. began in earnest as the president was consumed with other matters: the aftermath of the January 6 riot and the impending impeachment. Norms and protocols were cast aside. Everything was running late, including the General Services Administration’s formal acknowledgment of a transition of power.

“We were 30 days behind what a typical administration would be,” recalled one former top Trump aide.

Throughout the months of December and January, administration officials were given guidance by the White House counsel’s office on how to abide by the Presidential Records Act, the post-Watergate law that dictates the procedures and processes for preserving government documents. There was professional staff that helped manage the IT systems and National Archives and Records Administration embeds who reminded aides about record preservation.

Staff also began offboarding — leaving an increasing pile of work to a dwindling number of aides. Some of them were bitter and exhausted and displayed little desire or inclination to help an incoming administration that their boss claimed stole the election.

“Part of the MAGA movement is kind of a ‘fuck you’ to the government bureaucracy, which you can interpret as the Deep State,” said one former Trump staffer. “People were really dissatisfied with the transition and the outcome of the election. This is the last piece of control that they had [while] in power.”

The weeks after the November elections were among the more chaotic for a Trump White House that had been defined by chaos. The West Wing was left reeling by Trump’s loss to Joe Biden, and the president’s refusal to concede largely froze the transition process in place.

Some aides recalled that staff secretary Derek Lyons attempted to maintain a semblance of order in the West Wing despite the election uncertainty. But he departed the administration in late December, leaving the task of preserving the needed records for the National Archives to others. The two men atop the office hierarchy — then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Trump — took little interest in it, aides and advisers recalled. Meanwhile, responsibility for overseeing the pack up of the outer Oval and dining room, an area where Trump liked to work when not in the Oval Office, was left to Trump’s assistants, Molly Michael and Nick Luna, according to multiple former aides.

A spokesperson for Trump didn't respond to a request for comment for the story. A person close to Meadows insisted that, "All procedures were followed in accordance with guidance.”

Open government groups were already, by that point, trying to force the administration’s hand to preserve its records. Tom Blanton, director of the independent non-governmental National Security Archive at George Washington University — one of those groups pressing the White House — explicitly said that the goal was to “prevent a bonfire in the Rose Garden.” He and others were concerned by reports that White House staff and outside advisers were using personal email, WhatsApp and disappearing messages.

There was also a belief that Trump simply didn’t care for the law around records preservation.

“The counsel’s office was often working at cross-purposes with the way President Trump treated records,” Blanton said. “To Trump, the White House was another casino he had bought. This one was just on Pennsylvania Avenue.”

Trump has long loved to collect and display items that remind him and others of his personal feats. His golf courses and the office in Trump Tower are cluttered with photos, magazine covers featuring him, and souvenirs attesting to the perks of his wealth and fame. Whatever he didn’t want was usually whisked away with little regard. Indeed, as he worked in the Oval Office, Trump would end each day pushing the materials from his desk into a cardboard box that, once filled, would be sent off and replaced, according to two former officials.

Often, Trump would call for aides to bring him a souvenir — a letter from North Korea’s Kim Jong-Un was a particular favorite — and he’d delight in showing off for guests.

Under investigation for possible violations of the Espionage Act and other laws, Trump has denied wrongdoing while offering shifting explanations for the presence of the material at Mar-a-Lago. Aides said they recalled very few conversations during the transition about what to do with the documents that Trump would, on occasion, bring up to the White House residence.

As for the broader transition, a handful of Trump White House aides argued that the process of sorting and storing government records, returning equipment and discharging staffers of their security clearances, was clearly outlined by the counsel’s office and done with care.

“You sign all this stuff when you start, you’ve already been told here’s how the Presidential Records Act works, here’s what it says, here’s what it means, as far as what we expected,” said one former Trump White House official. “It seemed very routine.”

But most aides described a haphazard process as Inauguration Day approached. Lawyers would send around guidance when the staffers should pack up and how it should be done, but “they weren’t going to go through paper by paper,” one former staffer recalled.

“It was just drawer by drawer,” the person said. “It’s not a scientific process. You don’t have someone breathing down your neck looking at what you were taking.”

That stood in marked contrast to the process put in place by Trump’s predecessor. President Barack Obama’s administration, facing term limits, knew it was leaving and began the transition in August 2016, according to Neil Eggleston, former Obama White House counsel. Beyond that, they didn’t regard the rules around record retention as vague.

“It was very clear that they were not permitted to take any government property with them and that included any government documents created in the White House, anything related to their official jobs in the White House,” he said. “And nobody ever fought us on it, it was never an issue. ... The rule that you couldn’t take government documents was a clear rule.”

Trump, Eggleston surmised, was a victim of his own political impulses. “[H]e denied being defeated so they didn’t really engage in a transition process because he refused to let it happen,” he said. “So that meant that they were in a fairly frantic situation as the inauguration day came.”

For outgoing White Houses, there is typically a debriefing process about classified documents, and then a procedure to turn over government phones and computers. But for many of the last Trump holdouts, that process came after the Capitol riot, a stunning day of violence which triggered heightened security throughout Washington. The security obstacles erected around the White House, aides recalled, created more logistical hurdles for an already exhausted and hollowed-out staff.

Sloppiness ensued in many departments. Many staffers seemed more interested in securing copies of “jumbos” — the giant photos that adorned the West Wing’s walls — than sorting and packing up their files. Those who stayed focused on juggling the operational demands of running a country with the political whims of a president who, until just days before, was trying to cling to power.

There was, simply, not much care for protocol.

“Compared to previous administrations of both parties,” conceded a person familiar with the process, “there was less of a willingness to adhere to the Presidential Records Act.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-frantic-final-days-record-230014363.html

 

Nonsense.....if Cheney stands as an independent then Wyoming could return its first democrat!

Thinskin

 

You knuckleheads should petition Stanley to change the name of your forum from "Politics" to the "Insults, Arguements And Dueling News Stories" forum.

 

Now there's a thought ........... the "IAADNS" forum ..............
WAIT!
How about the "DUNCE" forum? Dumb, Unforgiveable, Nincompoop, Cringing Extremist forum?

Naw. That would be redundant. And politics is easier to remember.

 

Trump may have hung onto documents at Mar-a-Lago because he saw something 'personally advantageous,' New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman speculates
Taiyler Simone Mitchell
Wed, August 17, 2022 at 7:58 PM·2 min read

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  Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago was raided by the FBI last week in search of sensitive documents.
  
  
• Political reporter Maggie Haberman said he may have stored documents that he viewed as "personally advantageous."
  
  
• It's still unclear what exactly the FBI uncovered from his home.
  

New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman, who has covered former President Donald Trump for decades, speculated that documents seized last week by the FBI from Mar-a-Lago could have been "personally advantageous."

Haberman, who is a New York Times reporter and a CNN analyst, appeared on Tuesday's episode of the podcast "Hacks on Tap" and discussed potential scenarios for why Trump held onto those documents.

She suggested that the former president could have kept the documents simply because he thought "something was cool."

"Another bucket is: He sees something personally advantageous — either because it's something that he can use to bolster himself or it's something that he believes will help him in his business or his personal brand," Haberman added.

"There's not just a possibility that a foreign adversary could accidentally see these things, there's also the possibility that Trump could have been — and I'm not saying this is the case for those listening, we don't know, there's a lot we don't know — but among the concerns are Trump has business ties overseas," she added.

Beyond the search warrant which was leaked and then unsealed last Friday that included a vague list, it's unclear what was seized from Mar-a-Lago. The warrant listed 11 sets of classified documents, but the full extent of the contents is still unknown.

"I think there's a concern that whatever he had could be of use to him," she continued.

Read the original article on Business Insider



https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-may-hung-onto-documents-015854584.html

 

One thing no one has brought up just yet.

See, when a search warrant is executed the officer in charge has a critical duty in addition to following the letter of the warrant. (that means for example if one is looking for a dead body one is not allowed to open drawers clearly not big enough to hold a body).
That duty is to carefully detail each item seized and where it was found.
"Box of documents" should get someone's ass in a sling over at the FBI.
And not listing 3 passports, well, the question then becomes, what else was taken that wasn't listed?
Maybe a ring?
A souvenir tie?
Ladies undergarments?

See, the problem is, you don't do your warrant search exactly right, and don't list EVERYTHING you take in the return of service, you jeopardize the case.
An otherwise guilty heathen gets off on a technicality.

See, the one thing a searching officer knows is, the more successful your search is, the more scrutiny your actions (and inactions) will get.