it really depends on the topic/theme/gimmick etc. whether a long time is necessary to write or whether a short time is sufficient. if its something I can sink my teeth into I can write pretty fast and/or pretty long. Its up to you JR. people will either dive into it or not. but I can't comment on whether its too long or too short without knowing the "it." and that'd ruin it.
I'm sure whatever you decide will be fine.

 

what would be the thoughts on having a writers workshop thread?

 

That's a great idea, Special Kay. I'd love a place specifically for questions and information sharing.

Jayney - enjoy your holidays. I'm with redlust - if I can wrap myself around an idea I can knock a story out in a month, but please - do what ever you like. It's your show to run.

 

Ok folks, the working plan then, is to set the challenge on (or around) 6th January, and set the closing date for 28th February at the latest (possibly earlier).
That way everybody gets at least 6 weeks to come up with a story, and we'll have validation, voting and, (of course) a winner before Easter.

I'd love everybody's thoughts about this - we're all in it together
Please, if you have any feelings about whether it should be sooner/later/whatever pleeeease let me know, either post it or PM me

 

sounds reasonable. I think the last contest may have been too short hence the limited number of entrys but it was fun for that reason too. 6 weeks sounds quite reasonable (granted, that being said, I'm flying blind you're the only one who knows the particulars of the challenge).

I'd be interested in frequenting such a thread. I often find such discussion stimulating to my creative juices.

 

I think it is about time that the xnxx story competition had it’s own box on the front page. There are only a handful of readers who read all the stories now; and nothing on the front page to indicate to readers that a competition is even taking place.


This would allow all stories to be viewed throughout the competition. The boxes on the front page now seem to have been stagnant forever. The only one that changes is the Top Rated last 30 days.


A new competition box on there would be like a breath of fresh air. It would introduce new writers not only to the competition; but to the site. I think the idea of a continuous competition is a very good one. If they are yearly and people just miss them they will probably forget all about it. Here however you know there will not be too long to wait for the next one.


At the top of the box would be a link to here with all the rules for that competition. I really believe just one box would make a massive difference.

 

"You thought we came to the Library to read? Tres amusant." ​

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Funny, they don't look FRENCH

 

thats why they can't read in the library all the books are in English. we may as well let them do other things to keep themselves entertained... you know since they won't read.

HAPPY New year to you all

 

writing

have lots of respect for those writing. its not easy....

 

Happy New Year, All !!!

"Easy reading is damn hard writing." -- Nathaniel Hawthorne

All the best for a prosperous and productive New Year to all my fellow writers and forum friends.

 

NEW YEAR'S MESSAGE

It may be difficult to do, but please...
.

 

Where are all the Library readers?
I guess if we guys are lucky,
our ladies are doing what this one is...

 

That is a great pic, Jack. This lady was helping friends this weekend. Hope everyone had an absolutely wonderful weekend.

 

I finally located a definitive listing of all the abreviations these youngsters are always using:

ATD: At The Doctor's
BFF: Best Friend Farted
BTW: Bring The Wheelchair
BYOT: Bring Your Own Teeth
CBM: Covered By Medicare
CGU: Can't get up
SUATSC: See You At The Senior Center
DWI: Driving While Incontinent
FWB: Friend With Beta Blockers
FWIW: Forgot Where I Was
FYI: Found Your Insulin
GGPBL: Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low!
GHA: Got Heartburn Again
HGBM: Had Good Bowel Movement
IMHO: Is My Hearing-Aid On?
LMDO: Laughing My Dentures Out
LOL: Living On Lipitor
LWO: Lawrence Welk's On
OMMR: On My Massage Recliner
OMSG: Oh My! Sorry, Gas.
PIMP: Pooped in my pants
ROFL... CGU: Rolling On The Floor Laughing... And Can't Get Up
SGGP: Sorry, Gotta Go Poop
TTYL: Talk To You Louder
WAITT: Who Am I Talking To?
WTFA: Wet The Furniture Again
WTP: Where's The Prunes?
WWNO: Walker Wheels Need Oil
GGLKI (Gotta Go, Laxative Kicking In)
:excited:

 

Update on the life and times of my pal A.P., with questions!

Most of this forum's readers no doubt have no idea what the title of this post means, so a bit of background:

Colleen Turner is a sock account for an XNXX author, who has come and gone, yet once posted here under the alias, aesexual pseudonym (A.P. for short). In early 2009, A.P. adapted a ridiculously long mainstream/ contemporary book and turned it into filth, in order to give it an audience. Then she posted it on this site and others like it with the expectation of drawing a few hundred readers. Since then, more than 50,000 people have read the first book, and more than 5,000 people read the ridiculously long first draft of the second book (all 986,000 words of it), over the three week period in which it had appeared on the Web, before A.P. had pulled it down.

The strong response to the filthified versions got A.P. and friends to thinking. As we all know, excessive thinking seldom ever benefits anyone. Be that as it may....

In late summer of 2010, A.P. and a group of friends restored the mainstream/contemporary version of the first book, prepared query packages, and began to send the queries to more than 60 agents and publishers.

The queries have been out there for more than four months. More than 50 have come back as rejections. Not one publisher has asked to read the actual manuscript; they have all rejected the project purely on the basis of the book's length.

Some observations, as this exercise winds down:

1. A.P.'s novels are contentious and even disturbing - even in their mainstream/contemporary incarnations - but that is irrelevant. Not a single recipient has rejected the subject matter. They have rejected the books due to their length.

2. The remaining booksellers are in big trouble. (Barnes and Noble is for sale, and Borders has recently moved to delay payments to publishers in order to remain solvent.)

3. The online venues that are killing the brick and mortar stores are faring no better. Amazon and B&N are in holding patterns, waiting to see what Google will do with its ePublishing venture in 2011, yet already, all three of them are talking about shoring up falling margins by embedding pop-up ads in their published e-books. (!!!!)

4. Brick and mortar publishers will not look at debut novels of more than 110,000 words. (A.P.'s first mainstream/contemporary novel, Nascent, is 460,000 words in final draft - four times the acceptable length, and twice as long as it would have to be, even if a publisher were to agree to split it into volumes).

5. Brick and mortar publishers can no longer afford to carry editorial and marketing staff. The online publishers do not even try. That is why published bestsellers contain nearly as many typographical and diction errors as the longform work that readers typically find in places like this one.

6. Twenty years ago, literary agents typically offered debut mainstream/contemporary novelists advances in the neighborhood of $150,000, which translated into expected domestic U.S. hardcover sales of 300,000 units. Today, those same agents (the ones that have survived) typically offer advances of only $10,000 to $15,000, which translates into expected sales of only 30,000 units. Nationally. (Wow.)

7. Amazon offers more than 765,000 books for the eKindle. We will never hear about most of them. For the most part, with very good reason. Anyone can publish these days. The publishers are no longer selective (see #5). Proponents of this trend tell us that publishing has become democratized and egalitarian. In my opinion, the decline of peer selectively has reduced the quality of both fiction and nonfiction to a lowest common denominator, whereby the rare well-crafted novel has become lost in the noise.

8. In short, the book is dead. Or at best, on its last gasps.

Why? Not because video has killed the radio star. That is, it is not fair to blame the Internet, or to claim that the readers have all gone online. The reason is that, on average, no one reads anymore. I will not digress on what this means for society, or for the electorate, or for the stability of our democracy. There are fifty or so threads on the topic in the General forum.


Back to A.P., and his/her questions.

Given that no one reads, A.P. and her band of thieves are just about resolved to throw in the towel. That's a shame, because the mainstream version of Nascent is pretty darned good; Beauty is even better; and a half-written first draft of the trilogy's third book, Sublimated, is currently sitting in a dark drawer. (Literally. These books, believe it or not, are drafted in pen. Even the first draft of Beauty. All 986,000 words of it!)

So, the band of idiots wants to know:

How many people are still out there who would rather not see the books disappear? One or two? One or two hundred? One or two thousand?

Nascent is no longer filth, but it is still sexy and feisty. Some parts of it are almost suitable for a place like this. Would anyone be interested in seeing parts of the mainstream version posted here again? Assuming the mods and owners would have A.P. and her merry idiots back? (Another bit of essential background: A.P. successfully had her XNXX account deleted last year - an essentially near-impossible feat - so it is not altogether certain that she would be welcomed back here.)

A.P. and pals have explored the option of self-publishing on Amazon (though she hates the notion of pop-up ads appearing on Kindle versions of the books). If Nascent were to go up on Amazon, would anyone look for it there?

The band of idiots has also reserved a web domain. (Don't go looking for it, because nothing is hosted there yet, but people who know the trilogy's title would have no trouble finding it.) If A.P. and her merry crew were to use the domain to post PDF versions of the books, and photo montages of sites from Jessica Turner's upbringing (Everett, MA; MIT/Harvard; the White Mountains), and photo montages from Greta's haunts (Columbia University, west-side basement apartments, pix of her tabby kitten in attitudes of play), and MP3 jam sessions of Greta and Faith.... would anyone go there?

The independent/ self-publishing idea appeals to A.P. and the idiots purely on principle - neither Amazon nor Google would ever be able to clutter the book with pop-up ads. So, if A.P. et. al. were to offer the books for free, and were to simply request voluntary donations through Paypal, would anyone bother?

Or would it all be a waste of time and money, either because no one reads anymore, or because no one really misses A.P.'s rambling filth, or both?

Well, this is a rambling post, and I will be interested to see whether the response is positive. A.P. is betting on a resounding "STFU," which will be okay with her. It will go well with her box full of rejection letters.:-~

Happy New Year, everyone!

Colleen

 

Colleen, AP, Etal,

It sure seems to me that you are caught between a rock and a hard-shit place! You're correct; no one reads! But, given the opportunity to read filth without cost, some will take advantage of it.

[Insert plug:] One of my recent works of perverted literature((?)) XNXX Sex Story: Mom and Little Sis: The Pussies in My Home just reached the milestone of 300,000 hits/readers this weekend. True, my menial melodies of pussies and cocks singing are nowhere near as EPIC in scale as our asexual friend's trilogy. But, illusive as they can be, readers are there! (I have a few low-read, low-rated stories which might disprove my egotistic statement! See, I am not all ego and bravado!)

To paraphrase an old horse racing joke: (Question) Want to know how to make a small fortune in the writing and publishing business? (Answer) Start with a large fortune.

Good luck to you, but I have no worthwhile answers for your questions. And damnit, if I did, I'd use them my own damn self!

Jack
...

 

I find myself agreeing, partially, with my aged friend: people just don't read anymore.

I love your writing style because of the pure beauty of the language, but a book of that length - hey, kid, I'm 68 and I might not be able to finish it.

I would dearly love to see you published and successful and wish you the very best.

 

The way a published author explained it to me:

1. 99% of the agents will not look at you unless you've been published.
2. 99% of the publishers will not look at you unless you have an agent.
3. The remaining 1% in each catagory don't know what the fuck they are doing.

Self-publishing seems to be the way to go. It is something that I am also looking into.