The Official Hush "I Told You So" Thread...

stumbler · Apr 28, 2017

Trump--I will eliminate gun free zones on my first day

I told you so that was total bullshit. And hypocritical bullshit at that.

Secret Service: No guns at Trump NRA speech

The Secret Service confirmed Thursday that those attending President Trump’s Friday speech to the National Rifle Association in Atlanta must leave their guns outside.

“Individuals determined to be carrying firearms will not be allowed past a predetermined outer perimeter checkpoint, regardless of whether they possess a ticket to the event,” the Secret Service said in a statement, as reported by CNN.

Federal law allows the Secret Service to stop guns from entering sites visited by those under their protection, even in states permitting open carry of firearms.

Trump will join other Republican speakers including Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Florida Gov. Rick Scott and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke at this year's NRA leadership forum at the Georgia World Congress Center.

The NRA was a major backer of Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, and he also addressed its leadership forum last year.

“We’re getting rid of gun-free zones, OK?” he told the crowd moments after the organization endorsed him for the presidency.

Gun control group Everytown for Gun Safety announced Thursday that Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) will help it lead a protest against the NRA this Saturday.

Lewis will join hundreds of protesters in a rally against the group, whose leadership summit is inside his congressional district.
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Mayling · Apr 28, 2017

And then.... ? I think.

Mayling · Apr 28, 2017

Exactly, I love you freethinker.

stumbler · Apr 28, 2017

Trump--I will stop jobs from being shipped overseas

I told you so that was total bullshit.

First Trump tries to claim he saved jobs he had nothing to do with. Second, he lies about the number of jobs he allegedly saved. And third far more actual jobs have been shipped over seas than the number of jobs Trump tries to lie about saving.

Trump says he’s stopping jobs from going abroad. Here’s the truth.
At least 11,934 Americans have lost or are losing their jobs to production moved overseas since Inauguration Day.

Susan Haines and Sharon Vanacker knew something was wrong when their CTS Corporation factory in Elkhart, Indiana shut down production one afternoon in June of last year.

That “never happens, unless it’s a holiday or something,” Vanacker said. “Even on weekends they don’t shut down all production.”

All of the sensor and actuator plant’s employees were asked to attend a town hall style meeting with a company vice president. It was there that they found out that everyone at the factory would be losing their jobs beginning in January 2017. The work will instead be moved to factories in Mexico, China, and Taiwan.

Employees were blindsided by the announcement. “We had no clue, none at all,” Haines said.

The company knew the news would be difficult to swallow. “They asked us, everyone, to leave the building after the meeting,” Vanacker said. Production was kept idled for the rest of the weekend. “They locked the gates so no one could get in, which they haven’t done in years.” It seemed they were worried about angry employees who had all just learned they were losing their jobs.

They were right. “It was a lot of shock, I think a lot of sadness,” Haines said, describing the mood after the announcement. “Then everybody got really mad.”

Employees didn’t let their jobs go without a bit of a fight. Elkhart Mayor Tim Neese tried and failed to offer the company incentives to stay. And once President Donald Trump started running for president and promising to keep American jobs from being moved overseas, union officials at the UAW and IAM that represent the factory employees reached out to him to see if he would intervene.

Jobs are still leaving the country
This is the very kind of job loss Trump repeatedly promised—on the campaign trail and from the Oval Office—would come to a full stop under his watch. “We’re just shipping company after company after company is leaving the country and leaving jobs behind. And I’m going to get it stopped,” he promised in early 2016.

“Believe me. Nobody’s leaving,” he said later in the year.

Not only would he stop the losses, he claimed, but he pledged to act immediately. “We are going to stop it day one,” he said. “A Trump administration will stop the jobs from leaving America… Promise.”

But so far, that promise is going unfulfilled. Haines and Vanacker aren’t the only ones waiting to see if their president will intervene to save their jobs.

Since Trump was sworn in on January 20, at least 11,934 American jobs have either been moved abroad or are in the process of leaving the country, according to Department of Labor data analyzed by ThinkProgress.

The 11,934 figure is gleaned from the DOL’s Trade Adjustment Assistance program and offers the best, most accurate baseline, though the actual number is almost certainly much higher. There is no accurate, complete dataset that tracks how many Americans are losing their jobs because they get shifted overseas. “Nobody has really been able to count the number of workers that have been affected by offshoring,” said Dan Marschall, director of the Working for America Institute at the AFL-CIO.

The lost jobs span geography and industry. Workers have been laid off from Maine to Florida, from Arizona to Wisconsin. While plenty are in industrial manufacturing, a range of other industries are represented: medicine, technology, even finance.

To get Trade Adjustment Assistance, workers who suspect their job losses are caused by trade in some way must send a petition to the DOL. Then the department investigates and makes a determination as to whether they should be certified.

“There are lots and lots of workers who would qualify for TAA but don’t know about it or don’t have the wherewithal and resources to go through the paperwork,” said Thea Lee, deputy chief of staff at the AFL-CIO. Unions can help facilitate the process, but less than 7 percent of the private sector workforce is in a union. Meanwhile, employers themselves may be averse to advertising it, knowing that if their employees get certified it becomes public knowledge that they’re outsourcing jobs.

Out of all jobs affected by trade — those that are moved overseas as well as those eliminated thanks to competition with exports, outsourcing, and other factors — just a small share end up in TAA filings. “A minority of a minority of a minority of the people who are adversely affected apply and get approved for TAA,” said Howard Rosen, a former Peterson Institute visiting fellow.

His research, now a decade old, found that the approximately 718,000 workers who were certified in the TAA program between 2002 and 2007 was dwarfed by other measures of how many workers are broadly impacted by trade, such as a finding of 6.45 million jobs lost to import competition between 1979 and 1999.

By comparison, Trump’s deal with Carrier to save about 800 jobs is less than 7 percent of the nearly 12,000 jobs jobs lost or leaving since he took the oath of office.

Decades of work disappears
Mike Julian started at Commercial Intertech 22 years ago, before it was bought by Parker Hannifin Corporation, a motion and control technology manufacturer, in 2000. The original company was started by a family in Youngstown, Ohio in the 1920s. Lore had it that the CEO used to walk around at Christmastime and shake people’s hands, wishing them a happy holiday.

Julian got a job there in 1994, when there were still four divisions in the company that made industrial equipment parts: a stamping division, a cylinder division, a foundry, and a hydraulic pump division, where he worked. The new job offered him $12–13 an hour, a big step up from the $7 or $8 he had made in his previous job. “Better paying job, had health benefits, paid vacations, all that stuff,” he said.

Those same qualities attracted Bob Gaia to the company 23 years ago. He left the job he got right out of high school working in a warehouse for a job at Commercial Intertech that doubled his pay and actually offered benefits.

But over the years, Parker Hannifin sold off or closed the other three divisions. “This was something they did piecemeal,” Mike Thompson, who worked at Parker Hannifin for 27 years, said. The workers argue the company never invested adequately in what remained. Instead, work kept getting farmed out to plants in Mexico and Asia.

By the fall of 2015, the hydraulic pump factory was the last one standing. That’s when the plant’s union committee was called into a meeting with corporate higher ups. “We had a bad feeling as soon as we saw that,” said Zechariah Mathews, who was on the committee, “because they usually don’t ever come to Youngstown.”

The Parker Hannifin executives had a message for employees: the hydraulic pump factory they worked in would be closing and most of the production would move to China. Some, like Julian, felt that the writing had long been on the wall. Others were completely taken aback. “When they told us, it was like a total shock,” remembered David Hight, who had worked there for 24 years.

Morale quickly plummeted. “Everybody was obviously not happy and it was a bad work environment,” Mathews said. To add insult to injury, executives from China at one point come through to tour the plant. “Obviously that didn’t rub anybody the right way.”

Hight thought he could retire from Parker Hannifin. “I thought we’d live through the storm,” he added. “I was 54, my plan was to get to 59.”

“Parker came along,” Julian said, “And basically gave my job to somebody else, somebody in China. I’m not happy about it because that’s my livelihood.”

Julian had planned to stay on at Parker Hannifin through retirement. “I’m expecting to work 26 more years at least,” he said. “I had no plans of going nowhere else.” Now he’s back to square one. “I’m 45 years old,” he said. “Now I got to get another job.”

He’s currently going back to school to get an associate’s degree, making a bet that by the time he’s out things have improved. “I’m just hoping when I’m done that could help me get a job that pays closer to what I was making before,” he said, which was about $20 an hour. “There’s no guarantee of that.”

In the meantime, he and his wife have had to rethink their budget. “I don’t have spending money,” he said. “We don’t get to go out and go shopping and do all that stuff… I eat at home all the time, a lot of ramen noodles.”

“They took everything I worked for. All that time, I’ll never get that back,” he said. “What I’ve worked for for the last 22 years has been taken from me through no fault of my own.”

For the 137 people who lost their jobs at Parker Hannifin as of April of this year, getting back on their feet might be tough. “Our average age in our plant…was something like 38,” Thompson said. “It’s going to be hard for them to get jobs back in the Youngstown area. The jobs aren’t there that they once were.”

“We all knew when we left we weren’t going to find a job that was going to pay us what we were making on our union scale,” Gaia agreed. “We’re going to take a pay cut.” He’s now trying to find another job, but every one he’s interviewed for offers much less pay even though the responsibilities are greater. “They expect you to work harder,” he said, yet “the pay is severely less.” One wanted him to do what would have been two separate jobs at Parker for $7 less an hour.

Mathews had the same experience. Now he’s done with the industry. “There was never anything that I did not enjoy in manufacturing,” he said. But “I wanted nothing to do with manufacturing after this whole stint, I was done.” He now has a job as a quality control specialist for a commercial HVAC company.

The plant closing has also taken a personal toll. “We were like a family, honestly. All the people I worked with, we’d go golfing together, meet out places, have fantasy football together,” Julian said. “I feel like they basically broke up my family.”

A presidential candidate promises hope
The plant’s closing played out at the same time as the presidential campaign, one in which issues like trade and jobs were hotly debated. The plant was about evenly split in supporting either Trump or Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. In the past many had typically voted Democratic, thanks in part to their involvement with the union. But “everybody realized they were losing their jobs, Trump was talking the talk, and everybody wanted to see that type of change,” Mathews said.

Even so, few were hopeful Trump would actually help them. The closing had been announced so long ago, and plans were so far along, there was little optimism that a deal could be struck. “Everyone in the workplace already knew that it was done for Parker,” Mathews said. He voted for Trump and still supports him. “He obviously is doing what he can to be president of the United States and bring jobs back.”

Gaia is cautiously hopeful that Trump can improve things for other people. “They all promise change, just like the last guy promised change,” he said. “I guess show me. Show me you can do it.”

For his part, Julian never really had any hope that politicians could save their jobs. “The politicians are blind to what’s going on,” he said. “They just don’t care.”

He’s not particularly loyal to any one party; he points out proudly that he has voted for Ross Perot, Al Gore, John Kerry, George W. Bush, John McCain, and Barack Obama. In the most recent election, he voted for Trump. “Believe me, Trump’s got his flaws. But the guy has run a business, kept things in budget,” he explained. “I’m hoping he can get some stuff done, I’m hoping things will change.”

He’s not disappointed that Trump didn’t manage to save his job. “So many of us are losing our jobs, he can’t know everything. He can’t know that 150 people in Youngstown, Ohio are losing their jobs,” Julian said of Trump.

In March, Trump assured an audience assembled at the White House that jobs have stopped leaking out of the country. “They’re not leaving our country anymore folks,” he said. “They’re not leaving, they’re staying and they’re building right here.”

After the layoff, starting from square one
Susan Haines started at CTS in 1996 as a machine operator and worked her way up to production coordinator over the years. Sharon Vanacker began at CTS two years earlier than Haines and has had a number of different positions, moving up the ranks of seniority. Their tenure, coupled with advancement, have earned them better shifts, more predictable hours, and decent pay.

They had planned to stick with CTS until they were ready to stop working altogether. Both women are in their fifties. “We’re not that far” from retirement, Vanacker said. “Another 10 or 12 years and we’d have been retiring.”

They’ll have to give that all up as soon as they leave CTS. “We’ll have to work,” Haines said. “We’re in our fifties. You can’t retire for another ten plus years.”

Haines doesn’t know what she’ll do in the next chapter of her life. “A whole new career at 55,” she said, sounding a bit baffled.

Vanacker thinks she may try to get trained in computer programs for her next job. “I want to try computers or something more secure where I’m not going to lose my job because they move my job to another country,” she said.

But what they do know is that they can’t expect the same pay and benefits that they had worked so long and hard to secure at CTS over two decades. “You start over,” Haines said. Any new job will require her to work night and weekend shifts with little control over scheduling. “We’re used to a lifestyle, and now we have to change it because obviously we’re not going to be able to make the kind of money we do now.”

Even retirement plans, once they can be put into place, are changing. “We won’t be retiring like we thought we’d be retiring anymore,” Vanacker said.

In the meantime, both women have suffered some indignities. Employees from the Mexico plant came to the factory in Elkhart and Haines, Vanacker, and the other employees had to show them how to make the parts they produce. “It didn’t go so well,” Haines said. “It’s nothing against the people themselves, it’s the fact that they’re going to be doing our jobs.”

And until the plant is fully shut down next year, the company has been hiring temporary workers to get things done. “We went through a few hundred temps [so far] I’d have to guess,” Vanacker said. It’s even come to the point that both of their supervisors are now temp workers.

And they still don’t even know exactly when they’ll be asked to leave. Haines was supposed to depart last month but now it could be the end of the year. Vanacker thinks she’ll be at the factory until next year. “Nobody really knows because it keeps getting longer and longer,” she said.

The pending layoffs have now become a central focus of their lives. “Everything we do is, ‘When am I going to lose my job?’” Haines said.
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stumbler · May 1, 2017

Trump--Its called pay to play

Ok that's not total bullshit. Nobody knows how to play pay to play better than Trump, his family, and his administration.

Ivanka Trump hawked family’s new development in Philippines before dad invited strongman to White House

President Donald Trump’s seemingly off-the-cuff White House invitation to Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has raised a lot of eyebrows.

Officials with both the State Department and National Security Council were reportedly caught by surprise by Trump’s invitation, which he made during a “warm” and “very friendly” phone conversation with Duterte — who has overseen a vigilante “war on drugs” that has killed thousands.

While the invitation surprised many, the real reason for the U.S. president’s friendliness toward the Philippine strongman might be looming over Manila — where a new Trump-branded residential development is set to open soon.

Ivanka Trump — the president’s daughter and a White House official — appeared in a billboard advertisement and other promotional materials in Manila for Trump Century Tower, which is currently showing apartments starting at $160,000 ahead of its opening.

The Trump Organization said Monday morning the billboard had been removed several years ago, but the Trump-branded development is near completion.

The $150 million tower is a joint venture between the Trump Organization and Century Properties, which was founded by developer Jose Antonio — who Duterte tapped in October as the Philippines’ special envoy for business and trade to the U.S.

Its interiors were designed by Armani, and the 57-story Trump-branded residential tower is a few blocks away from the Forbes Tower office building.

“Trump has been a very positive experience,” said Robbie Antonio, Jose’s son and business partner.

The younger Antonio boasts of the friendship he’s developed with Eric and Donald Trump Jr., who have taken over the family business from their own father while he serves as U.S. president.

Trump who agreed to put his name on the Manila project in exchange for a multimillion-dollar payment up front, along with up to 25 percent of the developer’s revenue over a number of years.

Those payments could violate the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause — which prohibits office holders from accepting gifts or payments from foreign states — and the project itself presents a terrorism risk.

That high-profile target, in a country where the Islamic State-linked Abu Sayyaf militant group operates, potentially gives Duterte leverage over Trump.

Duterte, who claimed Trump previously invited him to New York and Washington during a Dec. 2 phone call, has threatened to bar U.S. troops from his country.

But Duterte said he reassured Trump that he would maintain ties with the longtime Phillipine ally after the president-elect promised not to interfere with his violent crackdown on suspected drug dealers and users.
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stumbler · May 1, 2017

Trump--I will give up golf and stay at the White House

We all know I told you so that was total bullshit. And very expensive bullshit at that.

Tax Payers Have To Pay Another $41 Million To Cover Trump's Travel Expenses

One special feature of the continuing resolution can be read as relieving a burden on local and state governments. It can also be read as $41 million to support Trump properties—and that money is coming directly from American taxpayers.

Sec. 544. A new provision is included providing an extra $41,000,000 to reinforce extraordinary law enforcement personnel costs for protection activities directly and demonstrably associated with a residence of the President that is designated for protection. Although the federal government does not otherwise reimburse costs of state or local law enforcement for activities in support of the United States Secret Service protection mission, these funds are being provided in recognition of the extraordinary costs borne by a small number of jurisdictions in which a residence of the president is located.

$41 million for “extraordinary costs.” That’s not enough to cover the full burden of allowing Melania to keep 200 miles between herself and her husband, but it will help with the $60,000 in overtime that the West Palm Beach area requires for every day Trump is golfing at Mar-a-lago.

Of course, this doesn’t address the $3 million tab that taxpayers lay out every time Trump gets an itch for another 18 holes. This is on top of that cost.

$41 million extra added to $3 million a visit. Or as Donald Trump would say, almost nothing.

“That costs almost nothing, because it's hundreds of acres, and security, and they don't have to close up streets,” said Trump in an interview with Martha MacCallum for Fox News Channel's “The First 100 Days.”
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stumbler · May 2, 2017

Trump--Its called pay to play

Ok that is not total bullshit. Nobody can play pay to play better than Trump, his family, and his administration. And obviously they are willing to play with anyone who can pay.

Jared Kushner failed to reveal business ties to Goldman Sachs and George Soros on government forms

Jared Kushner failed to reveal his business connections to Goldman Sachs and billionaires George Soros and Peter Thiel when filling out financial disclosure forms required for his job as a White House adviser.

The president’s son-in-law and senior adviser didn’t identify his partial ownership stake in Cadre, a tech startup pairing investors with real estate developers, and other ties to large financial institutions on his disclosure forms, reported the Wall Street Journal.

The 36-year-old Kushner’s stake in Cadre makes him business partners with other part owners such as the Goldman Sachs Group Inc., conservative bête noire George Soros and tech investor Peter Thiel — a prominent backer of President Donald Trump.

The newspaper reported that Kushner failed to divulge those ties, as well as loans worth at least $1 billion, from more than 20 lenders, and personal guarantees on more than $300 million of that debt.

Kushner’s lawyer, Jamie Gorelick, said the Cadre stakes are held through a limited liability corporation he owns, which was reported in the financial disclosure form.

She said Kushner had discussed his Cadre ownership with the Office of Government Ethics, and Gorelick claims he had resigned from the startup’s board and given up his voting rights.

A spokesman from the Office of Government Ethics did not respond to the Journal‘s request for comment, and White House spokeswoman referred questions to Gorelick.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) last month accused Kushner of committing perjury by lying to the FBI on his security clearance forms about contacts with Russian officials.

Gorelick said Kushner omitted those contacts — including meetings with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak and Russian banker Sergey Gorkov, a graduate of the Kremlin’s spy school – by submitting the disclosure forms prematurely, on Jan. 18.

The attorney said she notified FBI officials the following day that Kushner would update those forms to disclose his contacts with Russia.

Ethics experts said Kushner did not appear to have violated disclosure rules with the financial filings, but they said the arrangements should have been revealed to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest.

Kushner agreed to give up more than 80 assets when he and his wife, Ivanka Trump, joined the White House staff as senior aides.

He has retained more than 200 other assets — mostly apartments and office buildings throughout the U.S. — worth at least $116 million, although he has refused to place them in a blind trust, the newspaper reported.
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justpassingthru · May 2, 2017

A thread that turned political, who'd a thunk it ...

I told you so for me usually comes too late, by that time I am already on the ground or in the emergency room bleeding lol.

I adore the way my sweety looks at me with love in her eyes and an impish grin whispering "I told you so baby" followed by kissing my boo boo better LOL.

stumbler · May 2, 2017

justpassingthru said: ↑

A thread that turned political, who'd a thunk it ...

I told you so for me usually comes too late, by that time I am already on the ground or in the emergency room bleeding lol.

I adore the way my sweety looks at me with love in her eyes and an impish grin whispering "I told you so baby" followed by kissing my boo boo better LOL.
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Just WOW!! Hush created this thread specifically to track Trump's lies, flip flops and broken promises.

Hush said: ↑

Simply getting my thread in order ahead of time to prepare for the next 4-years (or likely less) of political issues generated by our new President and Congress (also referred to as the "Ass-Clown Posse"), as they prepare to do all they can to destroy America from within, and turn the swamp into a cess-pool.

Now in all fairness, I expect that when I make subsequent posts in this thread I might be a little agitated. So, also know if I refer to "you Mother-fuckers," who I really mean is all of those folks that have worked so hard to run down our government over the last 8-years, and flooded the forum with every nonsensical news item, to even twisting them to confuse the issue, and even regurgitating outright lies, all in the hopes of putting the Ass-Clown Posse in power.

Yes, you mother-fuckers... Anyway, here is my own personal thread to gloat in as time goes on.

Hush....an alias
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M4MPetCock · May 2, 2017

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Trump--I will end NAFTA

I told you so that is total bullshit.

Trump agrees not to terminate NAFTA after calls with Canada’s Trudeau and Mexico’s Nieto
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Liar!!

He's always said "if Canada and Mexico refused to negotiate". But why let facts get in the lying way of your lying ways.

http://time.com/4051371/donald-trump-nafta/ 9/27/15

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sunday that he would renegotiate or break the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0ZE0Z0 6/28/16

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday vowed to force Canada and Mexico to renegotiate the NAFTA trade agreement with the United States if elected, as part of an effort to protect and restore American jobs."

stumbler said: ↑

Just WOW!! Hush created this thread specifically to track Trump's lies, flip flops and broken promises.
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Well, I guess we need one to track yours, too.

justpassingthru · May 2, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

Just WOW!! Hush created this thread specifically to track Trump's lies, flip flops and broken promises.
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Oops, I read the title and not the opening post ... I have a hard time paying attention to what she says, I'm too busy imagining her bent over a desk ...

Carry on !!!

stumbler · May 2, 2017

M4MPetCock said: ↑

Liar!!

He's always said "if Canada and Mexico refused to negotiate". But why let facts get in the lying way of your lying ways.

http://time.com/4051371/donald-trump-nafta/ 9/27/15

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sunday that he would renegotiate or break the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0ZE0Z0 6/28/16

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday vowed to force Canada and Mexico to renegotiate the NAFTA trade agreement with the United States if elected, as part of an effort to protect and restore American jobs."

Well, I guess we need one to track yours, too.
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Nope, no lies on my part. All you have done here is prove once again Trump constantly contradicts himself.

Trump vows to 'rip up' all trade agreements

Republican front-runner Donald Trump on Thursday said he would rip up all existing free trade agreements if he wins the White House.

Trump argued that he would greatly improve U.S. relationships with nations such as Mexico and China while lowering trade deficits.

"I’m going to rip up those trade deals and we’re going to make really good ones,” he said during a campaign stop in Portland, Maine.

He lashed out at 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney for saying that a Trump presidency would ruin free trade for the United States.

“Ruin free trade?” Trump said. "If I’m losing $505 billion with China, if I’m losing $58 billion a year with Mexico, in terms of deficit, why do I want that kind of trade for anyway," Trump said.

"Ruin it? Who needs that kind of trade, seriously who needs that kind of trade,” Trump said.

Earlier in the day, Romney called Trump a fraud and ripped him for his lack of policy proposals.

The trade deficit with China last year soared to $365.7 billion, well below Trump's $505 billion, and was $58.3 billion with Mexico, according to Commerce Department figures.

“We will actually have better relationships with Mexico and better relationships with China, they’ll respect us,” Trump said.

“They don’t respect us now. They think we’re the dumbest people on earth led by the world’s dumbest people," he said.

The 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which includes Mexico but not China, could be taken up this year by Congress.

When asked this week about whether there are concerns that Trump will cause a trade war, Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) said that “it’s a long way until November so I wouldn’t hypothecate or predict anything right now.”

“So I hope whoever the next president of the United States is will see value of trade,” he said.
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Mayling · May 2, 2017

Donny used to be a Democrat . I think.

M4MPetCock · May 3, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

Nope, no lies on my part. All you have done here is prove once again Trump constantly contradicts himself.

Trump vows to 'rip up' all trade agreements
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"rip up those trade deals and we’re going to make really good ones"

Rip up and make new ones. Not "quit. "

M4MPetCock · May 3, 2017

mayling said: ↑

Donny used to be a Democrat . I think.
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So did I.

RandyKnight · May 3, 2017

M4MPetCock said: ↑

Liar!!

He's always said "if Canada and Mexico refused to negotiate". But why let facts get in the lying way of your lying ways.

http://time.com/4051371/donald-trump-nafta/ 9/27/15

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sunday that he would renegotiate or break the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0ZE0Z0 6/28/16

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday vowed to force Canada and Mexico to renegotiate the NAFTA trade agreement with the United States if elected, as part of an effort to protect and restore American jobs."

Well, I guess we need one to track yours, too.
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And he forced them to by saying he was pulling out.....
less than 24 hours both countries called and said let's negotiate.....

he said he would but if things did not get fair for the USA he was pulling out.....

he got them coming to him....

he will be negotiating from the power side....

stumbler · May 3, 2017

M4MPetCock said: ↑

"rip up those trade deals and we’re going to make really good ones"

Rip up and make new ones. Not "quit. "
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See, even RandyKnight proves you are full of shit.

RandyKnight said: ↑

And he forced them to by saying he was pulling out.....
less than 24 hours both countries called and said let's negotiate.....

he said he would but if things did not get fair for the USA he was pulling out.....

he got them coming to him....

he will be negotiating from the power side....
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M4MPetCock · May 3, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

See, even RandyKnight proves you are full of shit.
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he said he would but if things did not get fair for the USA he was pulling out.....

Yep, he sure did prove you're full of shit.

stumbler · May 3, 2017

M4MPetCock said: ↑

he said he would but if things did not get fair for the USA he was pulling out.....

Yep, he sure did prove you're full of shit.
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Here is what is just fucking hilarious. You pick one debatable example where Trump has contradicted himself and seize on that one iffy example on a thread where there are dozens and dozens of examples of Trump just straight up lying and flip flopping as if that one example of a debatable point actually proves something.

You are highly over paid if that is the best you can come up with.

M4MPetCock · May 3, 2017

stumbler said: ↑

Here is what is just fucking hilarious. You pick one debatable example where Trump has contradicted himself and seize on that one iffy example on a thread where there are dozens and dozens of examples of Trump just straight up lying and flip flopping as if that one example of a debatable point actually proves something.

You are highly over paid if that is the best you can come up with.
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Riiiiight. I'm fucking hilarious. Fifty copy & pastes a day isn't hilarious, but I am.

Then again, I guess fifty copy & pastes a day isn't hilarious. It's pathetic and desperate.

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