Not one mention of colour in all the links you provide, do you see crime and automaticly see black as the next word. I find it very hard to refrain from calling you a racist twat.

Not only does your arrogance lend itself to putting words into Blair's mouth, but you assume I have no idea what happens in my home city, the sub-culture he speaks of is the drug culture, and in B'ham it is a turf war between black and white gangs, not exclusively black as you would like to think.

Oh my patience can only be tried so far, so what comes next will allow you to think that it is an insult you have won the debate, no you haven't because you refused to back up your assertions with factual figures, actual data, not the stuff that appears inside your head because of your innate racism. What does it feel like when you have obvious intelligence to be compared to a loose wheel like CFH? Do you have to deny your racism because that is not a nice thing to see, he is at least honest in his views you on the other hand wrap yours up in a pretty tissue of lies with a pink bow of ignorance.

Arrogant racist twat. How fucking dare you imply that blacks are stupid and criminals, how fucking dare you insult my family, you would never say what you type behind the anonymity of your VDU to my face, because unlike a lot of black people I have worked with all my life you sir, are a coward.

 

I thought you were just a stupid ignorant fool but now you reveal yourself to be an imbecile as well.

Two mutually exclusive statements.

I have trodden in things with more intelligence than you, and worked with black guys who I would trust to watch my back, my black friends were dodging bullets with me, whereas you were just a spanner wielding REMF and the roughest part of your day was fighting to the front of the food queue.

Wanker.

 

Oh, it's blatent to people with open minds and aren't so full of hatred towards certain races that poverty and lack of education are the true reasons for higher crime rates and that race is irrelevant... The racist simply tries to blame a race for the high crime rates to give themselves justification for their hatred towards that race.

Yup, he hasn't refuted anything... DL, has also failed miserably at applying his white supremacist documentation, and facts dug up by him - in such a way that it proves anything as well.

DL, no one has refuted you because you've given no logical argument, or any argument for that matter, to refute...

Carry on...

 

Who let you loose? Your statement is only comparable with your stupidity. It is bad data to assume hospitals are dangerous because unhealthy people are more likely to be at hospitals and therefore the death rate is expected to be higher. By claiming that the same is true of DL's statement, you are saying that cities with high black populations are expected to have more crime and therefore (in the irony of idiocy) you are supporting his argument while attacking it. I'm sure that was not your intention, if however it was, you have my apologies.

The statement, "blacks have a high crime rate," is perfectly acceptable, because the data demonstrates that blacks do indeed have a comparatively high crime rate. You seem almost childlike in how you hide from the most obvious realities. If something that simple does not make sense to you, the problem lies with you. "The Japanese have a high suicide rate." Would you like to tell me how stupid that factual statement is?

I have yet to see a non-emotional response to his argument. Krieg showed himself to be much more logical than the rest of you when he admitted he was mistaken and accepted facts, rather than ignoring data in favor of ideals. He simply moved on to blaming poverty or the system rather than race. Such cases may be true, but the data on this is undeniable, and if you did not know that blacks/hispanics commit crime at a much higher rate than other races, you know nothing of the modern world. If you think their crime has nothing to do with their race, you need to argue as to why you think that. Instead you endeavor to argue an indefensible point, namely, that they do not commit more crime to begin with, which is simply unreality. Pick your battles. Just because you have three other people as equally tepid as you when it comes to racial discussions supporting your thrilling fiction, does not change the fact that you are arguing fiction.

 

Not once have I said that areas with high populations of ethnic minorities in the US do not have a high crime rate. They obviously do. You dont need to be a statistical genius to know this. The important point is why these areas have high crime rates. DL says it is because they are black. That is why he is a racist idiot.

 

You are a fool who cannot understand simple, valid arguments. When you say that people do not have high crime rates, neighborhoods do, what does that mean? Buildings do not commit crimes. People living in those buildings commit crimes. When nearly all of those people are black, the neighborhoods are dangerous. They are dangerous because blacks are dangerous, not all of them, but enough of them to prove my argument.

That argument, once again: blacks have a high crime rate. Therefore cities with high black populations have high crime rates. Moreover, countries with high black populations have high crime rates. I have proven my argument with well documented facts, again and again.

The only exception I am aware of is Bermuda. Over half the people in Bermuda are black. For reasons I do not understand Bermuda has a higher per captia gross domestic product than the United States, a higher life expectancy at birth, a lower infant mortality rate, and a lower crime rate. What I suspect is that Bermuda has advantages that are not transferable anywhere else.

 

It is easier to say that I am stupid than to prove it. I know what I am talking about. You don't. I substantiate my arguments with well documented facts. You can't. My arguments are valid. Yours aren't.

 

DL, it doesnt matter how many times you say it, the sentence, blacks have a high crime rate, does not make sense, because a group of people, living in myriad disparate places can NOT have a crime rate and any 'therefores' you choose to employ afterwards are invalid.

The fact that neighborhoods with high black populations have generally higher rates of crime is not in dispute. What IS in dispute is the reason why. Your 'argument' is that it is simply because they are black. You have not proved this and you never will because it is impossible to prove.

 

You only need one exception to disprove any 'rule'. Thus, you shoot your own argument in the foot.

 

When you claim that it is impossible to prove that blacks have a high crime rate, you are disagreeing with the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics. This is what that government organization has to say on the subject: "In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites."
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

Now, what is the difference between that and my statement? :???:

 

In human affairs we cannot get 100% certainty. Nevertheless, there is a well known maxim, "That is the exception that proves the rule."

It is well known that Haiti, with over two centuries of black self rule, is a basket case.

 

What this statement prove is that you are racist, "They are dangerous because blacks are dangerous, not all of them, but enough of them to prove my argument." Yesterday I travelled through the "Poole Farm" district of Birmingham, it is dangerous there because the residents are dangerous, not all just enough to make it dangerous, and it has an overwhelmingly white population, ergo whites are dangerous.

Wait did I see correctly that the blacks of Bermuda are earning on average more than the white man in the US and a damn lot more than the average black, and you wonder why their crime rate is low. Surely it has been pointed out that poverty helps to create crime, Oh you chose to ignore that and you suspect that Bermuda's prosperity is not transferable. Yeah go figure that one.

 

In July 2010 Bermuda had an estimated population of 68,265.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bd.html

With such a low population it is difficult to generalize very much from the example of Bermuda.

Bermuda is the exception that proves the rule. That rule once again: blacks have a high crime rate. Consequently neighborhoods, cities, and countries with high black populations will have high crime rates, because blacks in those neighborhoods, cities, and countries will commit lots of crimes.

I cannot believe that anyone on this forum is so stupid that they cannot understand this. What seems more plausible is that many feel somehow virtuous by pretending that I am mistaken.

 

I didnt claim that

 

It's exciting, because I'm watching someone argue with himself, but he does not even know it. A window into the schizophrenic mind.

This is a perfect example of political correctness rotting ones brain. MindsEye, you are afraid to say "blacks have a high crime rate," so instead you say "black neighborhoods have a high crime rate," which is the exact same thing, only with a politically correct additive. You are practicing the futility of semantics. Unless you blame buildings for those crimes in "black neighborhoods," then you must blame the people in the neighborhoods. And those people happen to be black. Thusly, black neighborhoods with high crime rates happens to mean black people with high crime rates. This is not exactly string theory.

The WHY of black crime has nothing to do with the statistics of black crime. You are trying to fight simple math with complicated philosophy. No matter what disadvantages you believe lead to high crime rates among blacks, this will not change the fact that crime rates are high among blacks. It really is that simple. DL is not being racist for saying blacks have a high crime rate, DL is stating a statistical fact. Why the crime rate is high is open to debate. The fact that it is high, IS NOT.

Now where I will agree with you(your horrible reduction arguments aside), is that DL has made some blatantly racist comments regarding black people, but "their crime rates are high," is not one of those statements, that's just a fact.

 

Can't you do anything better but engage in jejune name calling?

I only mentioned Bermuda because someone else might have. The country is so small that Bermuda's prosperity is not transferable. Also, I am confident that on Bermuda blacks are more likely to commit crimes than whites, probably much more likely, but I have not found information about that on the internet. I have found quite a few reports about black crime in England.

 

Any statement I have made about blacks has been thoroughly documented, and acknowledges exceptions. The only time I think I have used the n word here was to explain how it originated.

 

The reason I broached the topic of black crime in a thread about baller16 was because CFH420 said blacks have a high crime rate, and richief disputed it.

Now I disagree with CFH420 on many topics, particularly our evaluations of President Obama. He and I express our opinions differently. Nevertheless, when he says something that is true, I will point out that it is true. The truth matters, especially when it is politically incorrect. Social policies that are based on beliefs that are not true seldom have good results; they usually have bad results.

 

I'm glad you took a stand on such an unpopular issue, and you are correct, most of your statements are backed up by facts. However, statements like:

Have no statistical foundation and are unabashedly racist.

 

Please dont misquote me. I never said "black neighborhoods have a high crime rate." As you use that 'quote' as the basis of your argument against me, ther rest of your text is pointless.