This seems absolutely reasonable.

I don't think this is a universal constant, but I can understand where you're coming from. I'd be interested to know how attempts at down-classing, so to speak, varies from the UK to the US. I understand that in the US you have a much greater tendency to have affluent suburbs built around 'rough' city cores. This is where the '8-Mile' thing comes from, yes? The 8-Mile highway that seperates inner Detriot from the more affluent suburbs?

I can absolutely understand your point, though. It doesn't remotely surprise me that youngsters from the suburbs are trying to be working class. But over here, I think there is less of a tendency - certainly, I was never aware of it in the variety of circumstances I have moved through - for people to want to be working class.

Yeah, I'll grant that this happens. Again, though, I don't think this is a universal constant. People fear and denounce what they don't understand, and I'll warrant that the middle class rarely makes the effort to understand the working class. Perhaps I've gained more of an insight because I spent a year doing manual labour to pay my digs. There's a purity in it that's attractive.

 

Okay, yeah, I agree with you. I was playing Devil's Advocate on the education thing, to see what you'd say - and I entirely agree with you.

Education in South London is not what it is in Kensington! It's definitely about the quality - it's difficult to move beyond your circumstances if the educational infrastructure simply is non-existent.

 

Not my definition, idiot. It's the definition of the fucking term, as defined by the people who INVENTED THE TERM. And if somebody gets opportunities that weren't there before then that person is no longer working class but can still claim membership to the area he came from and the fact that he grew up working class. Working class is defined as having to work to create your own opportunities. Therefore, if said person didn't have to create them, he is not both working class and not working class. He is simply no longer working class. Simpleton.

You call me a simpleton and then use fail as a noun in all caps and with multiple exclamation points. Yup, I'm the simpleton

 

Dance monkey, dance. You know fuck all about the working class, gobby little shits like you walk into pubs round here and get ignored, we don't need to smack you to make you realise you are not wanted, the silence in bar makes you realise you better get out 'cos the police won't come to rescue you, mommy is too far away to help, the best advice you can be given is stay the other side of the tracks son, stay away from us hard working folk who make up the working class, you have no idea what work is surely you don't think cutting mommy's grass all summer constitutes a pass into the working class, come on not even you are that stupid.

Fake, douchey, fagot, fronting. We all get it son and we have all heard it before. String it all together and give us another laugh. We have a book going on when you anuerism pops.

Twat.

 

You keep changing your definition. Before you said that a person cannot change classes if they are working class.

If me pointing this out makes me a simpleton then I pity your education.

It's irrelevant whose definition it is, because you keep changing it and you quoted it. If you just take stuff from a book and write them down like a photocpier with arms, then really, I wouldnt bother.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

Dance monkey, dance.

 

Now Toronto is a tough town.
I went to my local Tim Hortons and ordered half decaf half caffeinated with a buttercream flavor shot and milk. The bastards were out of whole milk, so I had to have cream instead. Pampered St. Louis residents wouldn't even be able to deal with that kind of urban horror.

 

Baller went to Catholic school, private not public education = Not working class

Baller went to college, dropped out when it got hard. = Not working class.

Baller doesn't work = Scrounger.

Baller will argue himself round inn circles then tell you he is the greatest basketball player in the world but never got the breaks. = Joke

Baller = Twat.

 

Win

This thread has it. :awesome:



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See, the thing about the US is that it's different all over. The East Coast is a lot more complex than city and suburb, much like England is where you have towns built around factories and mills that aren't considered "cities". The South is pretty much city and suburb and that's it, and so is most of the Midwest and the West, well excluding farmers and whatnot. The only exceptions are places in the "Rust Belt" that were originally built around mills and then factories. The idea of the suburbs is all about continously moving from "rough" areas to nicer/newer ones, and every time this happens, the jobs/companies/everything else goes with it. This has been going on for years. The worst parts of Philly are the parts where the rich used to live and then took off and thus there's no foundation or stability like there is with towns that were working class from the start. It's hard to explain but basically on the East Coast there's areas that are working class that were built around factories/mills. I did a much better job of explaining it in the "Tom Delay says unemployed are lazy" thread. I'll see if I can find the post.

To put it simply, it's all about how an area was started, how it grew, and how it's changed.

Exactly, and the only way to move up without those opportunities is if there is work to do, which there no longer is for those people. A lot of the people who are unemployed and who live in ghetto areas would rather work, and those areas only exist because they weren't allowed to work good jobs or go to good schools.

It's a very complex issue that I really don't have the time to get into right now.

 

What, you have a job to go to or something?

Oh wait, no. No you don't.

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The biggest factor in upward mobility is believe me, a college education, and mostly an MBA. I know a lot of PhD's I consider really what shall we say, lacking common sense.

 

Here's the post I was referring to: https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=2784263&postcount=114

Also, if you can find it, look in that thread for a post by tim-something about minimum wage. It's another big problem that affects the working class.

You have to understand that the US is huge. We have states that are bigger than entire countries in Europe and thus it's a hell of a lot harder to do really anything that needs to be done.

 

Win and Jimmy Fallon in the same post.
yeah.

 

Nouns

Win is not one.


That is all.

 

It is when I say it. And Captain Jean Luc Picard of the United Federation of Planets!



You better fall the fuck back from Picard, catty douche bitch-monkey. Stop fronting!

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He didn't say that. Some pathetic, unoriginal douche like you on the internet did. Hell, that picture isn't even original and what's printed on it was probably copped from some actual internet nerds and not wannabes like you.

God, is there anything more pathetic than wannabe nerds?

 

Okay, man, I've read it. Seems eminently reasonable. Let me run something by you to see if I've got it.

I watched a film called 'Requiem for Detroit' - it doesn't take an idiot to work out what it's about. It's available here, and I can't recommend it enough.

The point you were making about the problem areas coming from where the rich moved out from - from what I can tell (at least from the example of Detroit, which as far as I can gather was built as an industrial core that grew suburbs) the people who made their money through working day and night in the factories began, as the factories grew larger and more prominent, to look for a quieter place to lay their head at night. Thus, the suburb was born, and rather eloquently for Detroit, the idea of commuting. These more affluent men and women took with them the resources to set up schemes for education and such like, and left behind a city center that was barren of opportunity for those who remained. The intellectual heart had upped and left, if you like, so those new generations born to those who had remained never had a chance to prove their worth.

When the industry itself died, the income to the core of the working class (that being, the ones who remained inside the city itself around the factories) had no more money - and did not have the means to create more. Goodbye money, hello poverty, deprevation, and crime. In reaction, the affluent suburbanites - now arguably no longer working class through the opportunities created for themselves and their children - moved further affield to escape the 'taint' of the now poverty-struck, crime-ridden population that was left, leaving behind them once-affluent areas that simply became wastelands and battlegrounds.

Obviously, my interpretation is based on the one example I do know a little about - Detroit. Detroit has much worse things going on, too - the result of Henry Ford's wilfull segregation policies that meant that those moving to the newly created suburbs were white, and the remainder black. In a way, the class divide and the inexorable social decline within the city was exacerbated by Ford and his contemporaries in how they organised their labour.

So, Baller - am I on the right track? Or have I got it wrong?

 

Yes he did. And you can't prove he didn't.

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*clank clank clank*
And the monkey plays on..
btw.. pointing out grammatical errors is one of the weakest form of rebuttal.

Now, why am I going to waste perfectly good money to come down there for tea? You, with your anger and rage, should have more than enough motivation to come up here.
We can have tea, discuss the price of rice in China, play some Mah Jong, or Chess if you prefer.

How exactly for a fact do you know what's "true" about me? very curious.

And the only people who use guns are pussies? WoW, insult the armed forces of every country out there, or law enforcement.. broad generalizations.

I think you need a hug.. not enough love in your life..you're very very angry..

Now show on the doll where the bad man touched you. Was the man retarded? :twisted: