How do we know hospitals are at capacity if they are not reporting to the CDC? Its not like the press have access to hospitals and can check things for themselves. Same with the number of deaths. With FEMA bringing in refrigerated morgues there's no way to determine that either. Its not like that can be independently verified.

Also before this data has been publicly available which is being used by scientists and researchers for among other things prediction models.

And the real problem is we have multiple examples of the Trump administration lying and falsifying records just to make it look like Trump is right and constantly lying even to congressional investigators.

Plus what makes it even more suspicious is the CDC and Dr Fauci have been under constant attack for the past few weeks for daring to contradict Trump. So it would certainly appear they have ulterior motives.

And it is also just ass backwards. The CDC has always been the central collection point for data like this and they supply to other government agencies. Because they are the experts.

 

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE AND ITS TRUMPS FAULT!!!!

boy, are you guys gonna be embarrassed when you finally look at the guidance.

 

I will call your buff @shootersa. Put up or shut up. You are perfectly capable of C&P and posting links so lets see them. Put them up right here.

 

Well I’m in one of the only states that got ahead of the virus so I suppose I wouldn’t know what’s going on other places if the statistics were skewed. But when the virus was at its peak where I am it was impossible to hide. You no when they are setting up field hospitals and morgues. Plus I know a few people in the healthcare industry so I was getting first hand accounts of what was going on and how scary it was. I suppose your right but my question is how could you keep something like this under wraps?

 

And you should be embarrassed for all the nonsense you spew on a daily basis.

 

Why now? Trump declared a National Emergency in March. Why all of a sudden is he using it to develop a national data base now four months later?

Well by all means embarrass us @shootersa. Post the thins you are claiming right here just to totally humiliate us.

 

Way bad dude.

the coronavirus response, Biden leads 59 - 35 percent;

ORONAVIRUS RESPONSE

Voters give the president a negative 35 - 62 percent approval rating for his handling of the coronavirus response, his lowest mark since the question was first asked in March.

A clear majority of voters, 62 - 31 percent, say they think President Trump is hurting rather than helping efforts to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3666

 

Sighs.

Fucking computers.
So, Shooter tried a couple of times to download the .pdf of the guidelines, and every time his fucking computer froze. Fucking thing. Something with loading and then copying a .pdf. So if anyone has a computer capable of getting at that .pdf and pasting it, Shooter would be appreciative.
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/f...ratory-acute-care-facility-data-reporting.pdf

In the alternative, he was able to copy and paste this;

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020...eld-cio-arrieta-covid-19-data-collection.html

Prepared Remarks from HHS Media Call with CDC Director Redfield and CIO Arrieta on COVID-19 Data Collection
On Wednesday, July 15, CDC Director Robert Redfield and HHS Chief Information Officer Jose Arrieta provided an update for members of the media on HHS efforts to gather and disseminate real-time hospital data on COVID-19. Below are their statements as prepared for delivery.

Remarks by CDC Director Robert Redfield

As prepared for delivery

Thank you everyone for joining us today for an update on how we are working to collect, organize, and use real-time data for our fight against COVID-19. We at CDC know that the lifeblood of public health is data. Collecting and disseminating that data as rapidly as possible is our top priority, and the reason for the policy change we’re discussing today.

As many of you know, CDC operates a system called the National Health Safety Network. This is an important surveillance system in our nation’s hospitals, which focuses on fighting antibiotic resistance.

In April, HHS leaders, with input from CDC, created a new system, called HHS Protect, that allows us to combine data through systems like NHSN, as well as other public and private sources. The data reported from hospitals that went into HHS Protect either came through the NHSN, directly to HHS Protect from the states, or through a system called TeleTracking.

What we have now asked is that, going forward, states provide data from hospitals directly through the TeleTracking system or directly to the HHS Protect system.

First, this reduces the reporting burden—it reduces confusion and duplication of reporting. Streamlining reporting enables us to distribute scarce resources using the best possible data.

TeleTracking also provides rapid ways to update the type of data we are collecting—such as adding, for instance, input fields on what kind of treatments are being used. In order to meet this need for flexible data gathering, CDC agreed that we needed to remove NHSN from the collection process, in order to streamline reporting.

This streamlining will allow the NHSN to increase its focus on another critical area for COVID-19, the nursing home and long-term care facility reporting needs—which, as we know, is also an absolutely central element of our pandemic response. All elements of our public health system are being stretched right now, and streamlining the hospital reporting system allows NHSN to concentrate its COVID-19 activity on the high-priority area of protecting the vulnerable in nursing homes.

To accomplish this, we have not changed the data ecosystem; we have merely streamlined the data collection mechanism for hospitals on the frontlines.

On the back end, whether collected by the CDC’s system, the third party vendor, or the states, the data ends up aggregated in the HHS Protect platform, where the CDC team and other federal response teams still have access to this information for their use in the response. Additionally, state and local public health departments also have access to this information in HHS Protect which allows them to access and use the same information that the federal response teams are using.

No one is taking access or data away from CDC.

I want to emphasize that having the fastest possible access to this data, as well as easy ways to analyze it, has very real benefits to our public health response. When we need to collect insights about emerging symptoms, for instance, which we are constantly learning more about, we can do that incredibly rapidly through TeleTracking.

This has no effect on CDC’s ability to use this data and continue churning out the daily data, the MMWRs, and the guidance we publish. In fact, the new infrastructure we have now actually provides our CDC team with easier access to a much broader variety of data sets than they would have without it.

Approximately 1,000 CDC experts have, and continue to have access to the raw data collected in HHS Protect—in addition to thousands of other public health professionals across HHS.

Our experts at the CDC are essential to our response, and that is why they have always had and continue to have access to all of the data we are collecting. That access is the same today as it was yesterday.

All of you have heard me say repeatedly—including before Congress—we need to dramatically improve public health data and case reporting in America. Everyone at CDC at and every member of our team at HHS knows that data is the fuel of any effective public health response. The need to modernize these systems was one of the key goals I identified as soon as I arrived at CDC. HHS Protect was a way to provide real-time data during this crisis. In the long term, we will be working with all of our partners across HHS, as well as states and hospitals, to determine how we can build a system that provides this capability for the long term.

I look forward to providing updates to all of you on that in the future.

Remarks by HHS Chief Information Officer Jose Arrieta

As prepared for delivery

I want to begin by describing for you the purpose of HHS Protect, the system to which we are now asking that hospitals directly report their COVID-19 data. One of my key roles at HHS is helping all of our vital public health institutions share and use the immense data assets we have—that includes data collected not just by CDC, but CMS, HRSA, and others. We created HHS Protect as part of that work, and Teletracking is a collection component of the HHS Protect ecosystem. All 50 states and 6 territories have access to Protect data at this time.

During the pandemic, it became clear that we needed a central way to make this data visible to first responders at federal, state, and local levels and we needed to collect this data as fast as possible. That’s why we created HHS Protect, a secure set of capabilities powered by eight commercial technologies for sharing, parsing, housing, and accessing COVID-19 data, based on the 225 datasets and reporting avenues we had. The system was developed based on four principles: transparency, sharing, privacy, and security.

Before HHS Protect, CDC NHSN received data regularly from 3,000 hospitals related to COVID 19. However there are approximately 6,200 hospitals in the United States. Through Teletracking, HHS was able to start collecting additional data from 1,100 hospitals. HHS Protect collects data directly from 20 states and approximately 2,000 hospitals for COVID data. The additional capabilities provided by Protect and TeleTracking provided increased visibility rapidly.

The goal of HHS Protect was to provide confidentiality, integrity, and availability of data while ensuring security, transparency, data sharing, and privacy to as many first responders as possible. Visibility into what’s happening at a zip code level across the United States helps us allocate resources and respond in real time. The HHS Protect platform enables easy access for all of our public health experts and leaders across HHS, as well as our other partners beyond HHS, including states and tribal partners. We are working with Congress to give all elected officials access to the data as well.

HHS Protect gathers data from federal, state, and commercial sources. Each of these sources has a role to play, combining to create more than 4 billion data elements. There is no manipulation of this data possible within the system. Let me explain this in more detail.

You heard me mention security, which I want to emphasize we take very seriously.

Access is only granted to authorized federal/military employees and contractors, who are granted access as necessary by mission need. We authenticate and authorize every user to ensure only mission essential activity is occurring within HHS Protect. All data in HHS Protect is de-identified, meaning that there is no personally identifiable information attached. HHS has made the security and protection of the data involved a top priority. Least-privilege and National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) cybersecurity frameworks have been applied to support confidentiality, integrity, and availability. These are actually higher standards than are applied to protecting healthcare data in many other parts of the American healthcare system. Controls and platforms are tested for vulnerabilities, which are mitigated quickly, and mechanisms are in place to prevent exfiltration of data.

CDC has complete control of who access their data and what users at CDC log into HHS Protect. Currently, we have 1,200 users and approximately 950 state CDC partners and CDC partners.

You also heard me mention transparency: We recognize that experts creating and using these data sets want to know their sources and the lineage of the data sets and how they’re being used. We do that through HHS Protect, and we also give the actual owners of data sets—CDC for NHSN, for instance—control over who within HHS Protect has access to those data sets.

As you heard Director Redfield mention, this system is being used just for COVID-19 data. It was an incredibly rapid response, created by players across HHS and the federal government, to provide the capabilities we need. HHS Protect would not be possible without support from CDC.

Every leader at HHS shares Director Redfield and CDC’s desire for building a much strong public health data system to counter other health threats in the long term, and we look forward to working with partners across the federal government and HHS to do that in the future.

 

Shooter has now posted the proof. The CDC is not out of the loop for the data. And by the way, the link for the .pdf that Shooters computer (still) pukes on came from your original post in this thread. One of the links in that article is the FAQ and guidelines.


Oh, and rear admiral motherfucker, did you ever figure out which hospitals Trump sent the national guard into? You know, to get those test and patient numbers?
Fucking liar.

 

First of all @shootersa none of this is what you said. Here is what you claimed.

Right there you totally defeat yourself. If the Feds, in this case Trump's own hand picked people get their hands on the data first they can hand pick the data that goes out. Good ol Michael Caputo of Mueller investigation fame and Roger Stone's good friend is there to help them,

First they manipulate the data going in. That's why they want the National Guard to collect it. But better yet letting hosp;itals just report to the states if the state wants them to. A very handy thing in red states where COVID 19 is raging and making the governors look bad.

And not a fucking in all you said up there says that. The Trump administration lies constantly and access is not the same thing as just having the data sent to them.

 

So, rear admiral motherfucker, Shooter was sure you wouldn't accept anything he posted, so here's a post you will accept. At least, you've treated it as gospel from the mount every other time you've posted it.​

NEW REPORTING SYSTEM WILL STILL GIVE CDC FULL ACCESS TO THE DATA THEY SEEK
A source familiar with the situation reported to wrong story that indeed, all data reported by health care providers to HHS will be available to CDC at the same time.

 

S.C. Gov. McMaster orders schools to reopen on September 8th

South Carolina’s governor is pushing for schools in his state to reopen for in-person learning in the fall. On Wednesday, Governor Henry McMaster said schools should be ready to begin classes on September 8th.

He added it’s critical students have the option for in-person learning. According to McMaster, teachers have lost track of more than 10,000 students since the beginning of shutdowns in March.

The governor also noted a lot of students who live in rural areas don’t have access to the internet. He has encouraged schools to reopen safely and carefully.

“Parents need to have a choice,” stated McMaster. “They need to say to their districts whether they want their children to go in class five days a week or whether they want a virtual education at home.”

He has expressed he wants every public school district to offer five days of in-person learning, as well as virtual classes, when they present their reopening plans.

 

Officials combining ‘probable’ cases of COVID-19 with confirmed cases
OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 6:00 PM PT — Wednesday, July 15, 2020

As the number of coronavirus cases continues to rise in the U.S., officials reported they’re being asked to combine “probable” cases with “confirmed” cases. As One America’s Pearson Sharp reports, this will likely lead to a significantly inflated number of cases.

 

OAN, the new Faux news.

 

One reason @shootersa quoted the prepared propaganda put out by HHS and probably written by Michael Caputo of Mueller investigation and friend of Roger Stone fame is because the actual guidelines have holes big enough to drive mobile refrigerated morgues though.


Check this little gem.

https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/f...ratory-acute-care-facility-data-reporting.pdf

You god damned right if you are the Governor of Florida, Texas, or Arizona where the pandemic is raging because you wanted to suck Trump's dick and follow his orders to open up you damn sure want to get your hands on the data that makes you look bad before anyone else so you can manipulate it before you hand it over to the federal government. That is exactly why before hospitals were required to report to the CDC.

Also note @shootersa 's lie that somehow these guidelines are hard to copy and past. @shootersa only feigns incompetence as another one of his little frauds.

 

Yeah sure we can trust Trump. All he is doing is trying to make the entire government conform to his mentally ill delusions and lies. This has happened constantly during his presidency and they actually hold meetings with agency heads telling them not to contradict Trump. But now its a matter of life and death and Trump is more than happy to kill Americans if he thinks it will help him get elected.

CDC cuts off public information about hospital capacity: report

*The reason Trump and the CDC are trying to hide this information is because it contradicts Trump's lies.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/cdc-cuts-off-public-information-about-hospital-capacity-report/

 

Oh funny.
HEY rear admiral motherfucker, remember yesterday when Shooter asked you to provide hospital vacancy rates for hospitals west of the Mississippi, and I told you you wouldn't be able to do it because the information wasn't available??

What a dumb ass.

 

https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals

 

And here's another reason Trump has to try and cut the CDC out and make sure he silences them. The scientists are actually finding the opposite of what he wants and explaining why what he wants will get more people killed.

New York Times: Internal CDC documents warn full reopening of schools is 'highest risk' for coronavirus spread

*While it is true schools get most their funding from state and local taxes there would be no special education without federal funding. They would just have to go back to slapping kids with special needs into one big classroom and just warehouse them like they did 60 years ago because its just too labor intensive, resource critical, and specialized for public schools to be able to afford on their own,.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html