'Treacherous': Lawmaker slams Trump for saying he didn't vow to support the Constitution

Carl Gibson, AlterNet
November 28, 2023 8:09PM ET



Donald Trump at the Elysee Palace. (Frederic Legrand - COMEO / Shutterstock.com)


In a November 27 legal filing submitted to the Colorado Supreme Court, attorneys representing former President Donald Trump made a unique argument in justifying that the US Constitution's insurrection clause doesn't apply to their client.

The clause, which is in Section Three of the 14th Amendment, states that "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." Trump's legal team argued that as president, their client is exempt from that language.

"The framers excluded the office of President from Section Three purposefully. Section Three does not apply, because the presidency is not an office 'under the United States,' and President Trump did not take an oath 'to support the Constitution of the United States,'" the filing read.



The filing also argues that the events of January 6, 2021 did not constitute an insurrection, even though Trump supporters attacked the US Capitol in an attempt to disrupt Congress' official certification of the 2020 presidential election in an hours-long riot that left several dead and hundreds more injured.

"Wow in a legal proceeding trump is now arguing he didn’t violate the 14th Amendment by inciting the Jan 6 insurrection because he 'never took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States,'" Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-New Jersey) tweeted. "This treacherous criminal is head of the republican party."

Trump did in fact take such an oath. The presidential oath of office — which all presidents take on Inauguration Day — explicitly mentions the Constitution.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States," the oath reads.

READ MORE: Colorado judge's ruling makes no argument that Trump 'didn't engage in an insurrection': legal expert

The matter before the Colorado Supreme Court concerns an attempt to remove the former president from the 2024 ballot on the grounds that he is ineligible under the insurrection clause due to Trump's involvement in the January 6 riot. While a judge ruled in Trump's favor, that decision has been appealed by watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.



https://www.rawstory.com/trump-treacherous-criminal/

 

More bullshit subterfuge:

The Inaugural oath, sworn to by any incoming President is this:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

But brain damage apparently prevented some Leftards who cited this oath, from actually understanding that the Presidential oath implicitly impies the word 'support.'

In their appeal against the Colorado lawsuit, Trump's lawyers reiterated that the wording of Section Three does not apply to people running for president and that Trump technically did not swear an oath to "support" the Constitution. Instead, during his January 2017 inauguration, Trump swore to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution during his role as president.

More disinformation.

How low can these Leftfucks go?

Unfortunately that remains to be seen.

 

And trying to overturn a free and fair election. Where does that fit in with the oath of office?

 

I don't usually respond to brain-dead meme-poster trolls, but Trump has been charged with a lot of bullshit, but not insurrection.

Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true - not even in your world.

 

And this from a trumptard.

"Trump indicted for efforts to overturn 2020 election and block transfer of power"

• one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.

• one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.

• one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote certification in January 2021.

• one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.

 

Trump ‘engaged in an insurrection,’ judge says, but should remain on Colorado ballot

 

And notice how treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans have no problem with Trump saying he never took an oath to support the Constitutions.

That alone proves the title of this thread.

 

"We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections." -Donald trump

The utter hypocrisy! Trump and the GOP were the ones trying to overturn a free and fair election. Trump and his repuke co-conspirators must be held accountable.

 

For american hater to support, on other threads, the enemies of America and call America a "shithole country" and a "banana republic" and then come here and accuse anyone of anything is the height of outrageous behavior.

A new low even for him.

 

Nowhere in the Presidential oath of office does it say support the Constitution, it does say preserve, protect, and defend..... BIG DIFFERENCE
As is always the case, Stumble-Bum has absofuckinglutely no clue about the subject.....
I'd suggest he proof read his cut and paste stuff but two letter words stump him every time.....

 

Let's be crystal clear about something here. The true Americas haters are the ones who make up excuses for Trump rather than denounce him for saying he will not support the Constitution. Which proves in fact and in deed they are treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans that also do not support the Constitution and our democracy. And instead enthusiastically support fascism and an authoritarian dictatorship with Trump as the dictator.

You cannot hate the United States of America and every great thing it has ever stood for more than that. Every great thing the United States of America has ever done and all the great things we have springs from our Constitution. It is the very foundation of the United States of America. And anyone who does not agree to defend support and agree to live under our Constitution is a traitor to the United States of America.

 

The Press in the Third Reich
Establishing Control of the Press
When Adolf Hitler took power in 1933, the Nazis controlled less than three percent of Germany’s 4,700 papers.

The elimination of the German multi-party political system brought about the demise of hundreds of newspapers produced by outlawed political parties. It also allowed the state to seize the printing plants and equipment of the Communist and Social Democratic Parties, which were often turned over directly to the Nazi Party. In the following months, the Nazis established control or exerted influence over independent press organs.

During the first weeks of 1933, the Nazi regime deployed the radio, press, and newsreels to stoke fears of a pending “Communist uprising,” then channeled popular anxieties into political measures that eradicated civil liberties and democracy. SA (Storm Troopers) and members of the Nazi elite paramilitary formation, the SS, took to the streets to brutalize or arrest political opponents and incarcerate them in hastily established detention centers and concentration camps. Nazi thugs broke into opposing political party offices, destroying printing presses and newspapers.

Sometimes using holding companies to disguise new ownership, executives of the Nazi Party-owned publishing house, Franz Eher, established a huge empire that drove out competition and purchased newspapers at below-market prices. Some independent newspapers, particularly conservative newspapers and non-political illustrated weeklies, accommodated to the regime through self-censorship or initiative in dealing with approved topics.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-press-in-the-third-reich



'Hit job': Trump says government should 'come down hard' on 'illegal' activity by MSNBC

David McAfee
November 28, 2023 11:18PM ET



WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA - OCTOBER 11: Former U.S. President Donald Trump delivers remarks at a rally hosted by Club 47 USA at the Palm Beach County Convention Center on October 11, 2023 in West Palm Beach, Florida. Even as Trump faces multiple criminal indictments, he still maintains a commanding lead in the polls over other Republican candidates. (Photo by Alon Skuy/Getty Images)


Donald Trump on Tuesday evening suggested MSNBC should be hit with government force for its "illegal political activity" in the course of reporting news related to the ex-president.

Without citing which interview or report caught his attention, the former president took to social media to slam the news network and its CEO.

"MSNBC (MSDNC) uses FREE government approved airwaves, and yet it is nothing but a 24 hour hit job on Donald J. Trump and the Republican Party for purposes of ELECTION INTERFERENCE," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "Brian Robert’s, its Chairman and CEO, is a slimeball who has been able to get away with these constant attacks for years."

ALSO READ: How Trump’s mouth is killing American exceptionalism

Trump further alleged that the network "is the world’s biggest political contribution to the Radical Left Democrats who, by the way, are destroying our Country."

He then added.

"Our so-called 'government; should come down hard on them and make them pay for their illegal political activity," he said with a potentially ominous teaser but without elaboration. "Much more to come, watch!"



https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-msnbc/

 

This from the member who has repeatedly called America a
"shithole country"
and a
"banana republic"

You just can't hate America more than that, eh?

 

Trump calls criminal charges against him ‘banana republic indictments’
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/sep/17/donald-trump-calls-criminal-charges-against-him-ba/

What the Right-Wing Freak-Out Over Trump’s “Banana Republic” Indictment Is Really About
https://newrepublic.com/article/171551/right-wing-freakout-trumps-banana-republic-indictment-really

 

‘How fascists act’: Trump slammed for demanding Biden weaponize government to help him

David Badash, The New Civil Rights Movement
November 29, 2023 11:49AM ET



Donald Trump/Joe Biden -- AFP/Biden Facebook page


Overnight, amid a flurry of social media posts, Donald Trump demanded President Joe Biden weaponize the federal government to "come down hard" on a news media outlet to benefit the indicted ex-president's 2024 political campaign. While attacking the press is part of Trump's regular tactics, this time he's getting widely criticized for his thinly-veiled threat he will do what he's demanding of Biden if he retakes the White House.

The First Amendment is clear, and numerous rulings have shown the federal government cannot censor or dictate how or what the free press reports. It can, and has, asked for coverage of a story, and can direct a news outlet's attention to an issue, but it cannot stop the media from reporting on a presidential candidate.

And yet, that's exactly what Donald Trump demanded President Joe Biden do.

"MSNBC (MSDNC) uses FREE government approved airwaves, and yet it is nothing but a 24 hour hit job on Donald J. Trump and the Republican Party for purposes of ELECTION INTERFERENCE," Trump claimed very late Tuesday night. "Brian Roberts, its Chairman and CEO, is a slimeball who has been able to get away with these constant attacks for years. It is the world’s biggest political contribution to the Radical Left Democrats who, by the way, are destroying our Country."

READ MORE: Pence Bombshell Resurfaces Old Questions About Grassley and January 6

"Our so-called 'government' should come down hard on them and make them pay for their illegal political activity. Much more to come, watch!" Trump wrote.

Critics immediate focused on the fact that MSNBC is a cable news outlet that does not use what Trump called the "free government approved airwaves" (which are not free, broadcasters pay licensing fees.)

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter David Cay Johnston, who has written several books on Trump, called it "a perfect example of Donald's appalling ignorance."

Also pointing to Trump's false claim of MSNBC using "free government approved airwaves," former New York Times media reporter Bill Carter noted Trump's "ignorance is worse than the puerile name-calling."

"He’s ranting mindlessly," Carter observed, noting Trump "has several cable nets that are full-time propaganda channels for him."

But the larger concern expressed was not that Trump does not understand the difference between broadcast and cable TV, but that he does not understand the U.S. Constitution.


"Thank goodness for the First Amendment, which gives the American people, the private sector and the free press the right to tell the former President to shove it," wrote U.S. Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA). "If Trump is going to say or do stupid stuff, or authoritarian crazy stuff, the press has the right to expose it."

Former Obama Administration senior advisor and campaign chief strategist David Axelrod wrote, "I think we owe it to Trump to take his words seriously. He would use the power of government to punish media outlets who do critical reporting about him. Where are those who speak reflexively about fidelity to the Constitution but apparently have not read it?"

Former CNN chief media correspondent Brian Stelter responded to Axelrod's post, writing: "Slight revise: Trump repeatedly did use the power of government to punish media outlets, and he can't wait to do it again."

Politico White House Bureau Chief Jonathan Lemire, who is also an MSNBC host, wrote: "Trump again threatening to use the power of the government against media he believes is being critical of him: 'More to come, watch!'"

Gen Z speaker, writer, podcaster, and organizer Victor Shi noted Trump is calling for "MSNBC — which does NOT use free government-approved airwaves — to be dismantled by the government. Joe Biden does not say this about Fox, because he values democracy. Trump does NOT."

Shi, adding other Trump overnight posts to his commentary, observed: "So, over the span of one night, Donald Trump called for the government to shutdown MSNBC because they don’t cover him 'favorably' & called for Obamacare to be gutted AGAIN. This isn’t how leaders [in a] democracy behave. This is how fascists act—& we must be alarmed."

READ MORE: Johnson Suggests Santos May Resign – Will Indicted Congressman Try to Burn the House Down First?






https://www.rawstory.com/how-fascis...nding-biden-weaponize-government-to-help-him/

 

This from a trumptard who supports a president who actively tried to overturn a free and fair election. Where in the constitution does it say a president and an entire political party can attempt to disenfranchise 81 million American voters.

So shooter, in what kind of countries do sitting presidents ignore the will of the public and attempt to stay in power illegally and with the help of his political party?

Enlighten us

 

Crazy troll camp follower dismissed.

 

Attaboy

 

Just like the Nazis did going after the Jews. They actually started with other minorities first and worked their way up.




Critics say Trump’s call to deploy military in Black cities is more than a dog whistle
Gerren Keith Gaynor
Thu, November 30, 2023 at 8:05 AM MST·6 min read
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“We should be very concerned about the real threat, again, to democracy…if we elect him into office again,” says Markus Batchelor, political director at People For the American Way.

Political experts say Black and brown communities should have serious concerns after former President Donald Trump renewed calls to send military troops to Democratic-controlled cities to address crime if he were to return to the White House.

“There’s no dog whistle…it’s full-on dog barking,” warned political scientist Christina M. Greer.


Former President Donald Trump said he won’t be deterred from deploying the military in cities if elected. Above, he speaks to supporters at a July 29 political rally while campaigning for the GOP nomination at Erie Insurance Arena in Erie, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Jeff Swensen/Getty Images)

While on the campaign trail in Iowa this year, Trump said he was prevented as president from using his executive powers to use military units to combat crimes and violence in cities led by Democrats.

In a hypothetical second term, the leading Republican presidential candidate suggested he would not again fold to pushback from within his administration or military leadership.

“The next time, I’m not waiting,” he said, as reported by the Associated Press. He added, “We don’t have to wait any longer.”

Trump has long called out cities such as New York, Washington, and Chicago for being “crime dens” where city leaders are unable to address the violence and crime occurring under their watch.

Greer, a Moynihan Center Public Scholars fellow at CUNY, said it should be no surprise that Trump has a particular vendetta against so-called liberal cities.

“We know that many of these cities are run by Black people, people of color or women,” she told theGrio.

Greer added, “He and Republican Party members and, sadly now, conservative slash moderate Democrats are using the same dog whistle to say danger in urban centers means dangerous Black people and Latinos.”

While serving as president during the Black Lives Matter uprisings in 2020, Trump deployed the National Guard to use tear gas and rubber bullets on protesters in Washington, just feet away from the White House.

Markus Batchelor, national political director at People For the American Way, said Trump’s actions and rhetoric should be enough to show the American public what he is capable of doing if elected back in office in 2024.


Then-President Donald Trump leaves the White House on June 1, 2020, to walk to St John’s Episcopal Church for a photo-op after law enforcement officers removed protesters from the area. (Photo by Brendan Smialowski / AFP via Getty Images)
“At this stage, he’s telling us what he will do if he’s in the White House again,” Batchelor told theGrio. “I don’t think he’s being coy about it at all.”

The political organizer said that in addition to the threat of militarization in Black communities, Trump poses a broader and very real threat to America’s democracy as we know it.

“We should be very concerned about the real threat, again, to democracy, to the rule of law, and whether we’ll lose democracy if we elect him into office again,” said Batchelor.

Though presidents have legal authority under the Insurrection Act to call on reserve or active-duty military to respond to unrest in states, political experts and historians have warned against the type of deployment suggested by Trump.

“To deploy the military, especially without local authority or local request, is a huge threat to democracy and to liberty,” said Batchelor.

“He’s doing what sort of dictators do in various countries where the military and the police force essentially work for you personally at your beck and call,” explained Greer, “which is the antithesis of what our military is supposed to do.”

The political scientist warned that, if elected, Trump would likely change the military structure by appointing leadership positions to “sycophants and loyalists.”

“Then we actually are in the scenario that he just laid out, which is the military then acts directly on behalf of the president and his whims – and not for the good of the country,” said Greer.

She said Trump’s strategy if he can’t win at the ballot box is to “take the country by force,” which he almost succeeded in doing with the insurrection attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

She added, “I don’t think enough citizens or media outlets believe in the capacity of Donald Trump or his followers.”

The threat of Trump’s undemocratic norms aside, Batchelor noted that when People For the American Way engages with communities in urban cities, they often raise concerns about public safety.


Students in the Washington, D.C., area brought their voices to Capitol Hill on March 14, 2019, to send a message about gun control, a topic one political organizer said Republicans steer away from. (Photo by Aurora Samperio/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
“The fact is there’s a real anxiety in cities,” said Batchelor, who fears those concerns could feed into the rhetoric of Trump and Republican politicians.

“We just have to make sure people don’t turn to those extreme messages because they don’t find solutions and kind of the principled leadership that we’re trying to offer on our side,” he explained.

Batchelor urged President Joe Biden and Democrats to pay attention to concerns about public safety, particularly Black communities that are “frustrated” by crime and economic insecurity.

“These communities need results,” he said.

Batchelor noted that Republicans have managed to pivot away from criticisms about the GOP’s refusal to work with Democrats to enact stricter gun control legislation. Instead, he said they are trying to steer the national conversation toward broader crime.


President Joe Biden speaks at Wilkes University in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, on Aug. 30, 2022, about the Safer America Plan, which is intended to reduce gun crime throughout the nation. (Photo by Jim Watson/AFP via Getty Images)
“They need to see the president and the Congress fighting more forcefully for an assault weapons ban,” he argued. “The Democrats have to get their message together so that this kind of hyperbolic rhetoric about crime doesn’t hurt their chances of being able to deliver.”

However, Greer noted that the data doesn’t necessarily back up Republicans’ claims that crime is on the rise.

“The data shows that crime is going down in most places, but the perception that it’s going up hasn’t changed,” she said.

Greer acknowledged that crime data is “complicated.” For example, while recently released FBI data shows that some crimes like property crimes and car thefts have increased, violent crimes and murder have decreased and returned to pre-pandemic levels.

“People just believe crime is up, and they see the quality-of-life issues around them,” said Greer, “and so they believe that the country is going in that direction, but the data does not bear that out.”

She added, “It doesn’t really matter sometimes where reality is if the perception is something that’s the opposite.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/critics-trump-call-deploy-military-150505786.html

 

Texas GOP executive committee rejects proposed ban on associating with Nazi sympathizers

Robert Downen, Texas Tribune
December 2, 2023 5:51PM ET



Neo-Nazis at Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville (Rodney Dunning/Flickr)


Two months after a prominent conservative activist and fundraiser was caught hosting white supremacist Nick Fuentes, leaders of the Republican Party of Texas voted against barring the party from associating with Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers.

In a 32-29 vote on Saturday, members of the Texas GOP’s executive committee stripped a pro-Israel resolution of a clause that would have included the ban— delivering a major blow to a faction that has called for the party to confront its ties to groups that have recently employed, elevated or associated with outspoken white supremacists or antisemitic figures.

In October, The Texas Tribune published photos of Fuentes, an avowed admirer of Adolf Hitler who has called for a “holy war” against Jews, entering and leaving the offices of Pale Horse Strategies, a consulting firm for far-right candidates and movements. Pale Horse Strategies is owned by Jonathan Stickland, a former state representative and at the time the leader of a political action committee, Defend Texas Liberty, that two West Texas oil billionaires have used to fund right-wing movements, candidates and politicians in the state — including Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick and Attorney General Ken Paxton.

Matt Rinaldi, chairman of the Texas GOP, was also seen entering the Pale Horse offices while Fuentes was inside for nearly 7 hours He denied participating, however, saying he was visiting with someone else at the time and didn’t know Fuentes was there.

Defend Texas Liberty has not publicly commented on the scandal, save for a two-sentence statement condemning Fuentes’ “incendiary” views. Nor has it made clear what role Stickland has at Defend Texas Liberty, which quietly updated its website to reflect that he was no longer its president in October.

Tim Dunn, one of the two West Texas oil billionaires who funds Defend Texas Liberty, confirmed the meeting between Fuentes and Stickland and called it a “serious blunder,” according to a statement from Patrick.

In response to the scandal — as well as subsequent reporting from the Tribune that detailed other links between Defend Texas Liberty and white supremacists — nearly half of the Texas GOP’s executive committee had called for the party to cut ties with Defend Texas Liberty and groups it funds until Stickland was removed from any position of power, and a full explanation for the Fuentes meeting was given.

The proposed demands were significantly watered down ahead of the party’s quarterly meeting this weekend. Rather than calling for a break from Defend Texas Liberty, the faction proposed general language that would have barred associations with individuals or groups “known to espouse or tolerate antisemitism, pro-Nazi sympathies or Holocaust denial.”

But even that general statement was not enough to sway a majority of the executive committee. In at-times tense debate on Saturday, members argued that words like “tolerate” or “antisemitism” were too vague or subjective, and could create future problems for the party, its leaders and candidates.

“It could put you on a slippery slope,” said committee member Dan Tully.

Supporters of the language disagreed. They noted that the language was already a compromise, didn’t specifically name any group or individual and would lend credence to the Texas GOP’s stances in support of Israel.

“To take it out sends a very disturbing message,” said Rolando Garcia, a Houston-based committee member who drafted the language. “We’re not specifying any individual or association. This is simply a statement of principle."

Other committee members questioned how their colleagues could find words like “antisemitism” too vague, despite frequently lobbing it and other terms at their political opponents.

“I just don’t understand how people who routinely refer to others as leftists, liberals, communists, socialists and RINOs (‘Republicans in Name Only’) don’t have the discernment to define what a Nazi is,” committee member Morgan Cisneros Graham told the Tribune after the vote.



https://www.rawstory.com/texas-gop-2666422898/