Nice chart, mind citing it's relevance to collective bargaining.

You completely fail to consider the problems facing the US and each state within it. We are out of money! We need to borrow money to pay for the necessities! If the spending trend of the governments involved continues we will soon be borrowing money to pay the interest on what we have already borrowed.

You progressive liberal do not have a clue.

 

You are like the rest of the bunch, you cannot see the forest for the trees. We are not in this mess because we collected too few taxes, we are in it because we spent too much, period.

 

Why not raise taxes on the rich? They have more money than ever before. It does not seem to be trickling down.

This is the way trickle down economics works:

 

Walker is doing nothing that he did not campaign for. Instead of your rhetorical "he wants to bust the unions", how about showing where he has deviated.

 

Unions aren't to blame for Wisconsin's budget

The Washington Post Posted at 9:36 AM ET, 02/18/2011

By Ezra Klein

Let's be clear: Whatever fiscal problems Wisconsin is -- or is not -- facing at the moment, they're not caused by labor unions. That's also true for New Jersey, for Ohio and for the other states. There was no sharp rise in collective bargaining in 2006 and 2007, no major reforms of the country's labor laws, no dramatic change in how unions organize. And yet, state budgets collapsed. Revenues plummeted. Taxes had to go up, and spending had to go down, all across the country.

Blame the banks. Blame global capital flows. Blame lax regulation of Wall Street. Blame home buyers, or home sellers. But don't blame the unions. Not for this recession...

The governor [of Wisconsin] called a special session of the legislature and signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it helped turn a surplus into a deficit.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/02/unions_arent_to_blame_for_wisc.html

 

The only reason our federal government and state governments are broke is because of the lie and spend policies of conservative/Republicans and the greed and corruption of the private sector we had to bail out again.

And collective bargaining is the only way for working people to match the power of the rich corporations and managers and CEO's they work for. Its also the only way to get some equality.

Finally as pointed out several times now the Unions did not break the state of Wisconsin. Tax cuts for businesses and special interests did.

PS Talk about your phony hypocrites. I don't recall you ever even once mentioning the federal deficit when George Bush doubled it.

 

You know what tenguy? You're lying about even this.

Nope that's a lie and you know it.

Says under his budget-repair bill, "collective bargaining is fully intact."

Scott Walker on Friday, February 18th, 2011 in a radio interview
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says his budget-repair bill would leave collective bargaining “fully intact”

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If Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker isn’t trying to strip most collective bargaining rights from public employees, then why do workers keep pouring into Madison by the thousands to demonstrate against him?

Many state, local government and public school employees -- including those represented by the largest state workers union -- have said they would be willing to pay more for pensions and health insurance, as called for in a budget-repair bill introduced by Walker.

But the workers continue to protest provisions in the bill that would restrict most public employee unions to bargaining only over wages, and then only within caps.

It’s the central issue in the protests, which have drawn national attention.

And yet on the morning of Feb. 18, 2011 -- a day after Democratic state senators fled to Illinois to prevent a vote on the bill -- Walker made a startling declaration in a Milwaukee radio interview.

At the turn of the 19th century, the Republican governor told conservative talk show host Charles Sykes, Wisconsin adopted the "strongest civil service protections" in the world.

Walker then added:

"Those fully remain intact. Civil service does not get altered by the modest changes we’re talking about here. Collective bargaining is fully intact. You’ve got merit hiring, you’ve got just cause for termination and for discipline. All those things remain."

In the middle of that statement is the eyebrow-raising remark.

Collective bargaining would remain "fully intact"?

We immediately asked Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie for evidence that would back up his boss’ statement. In the crush of activity in Madison, where the state Assembly took up the budget-repair bill as Walker did the interview, Werwie had not responded by publication time.

But let’s take a look at what was said.

In contending that collective bargaining would remain fully intact, Walker mixed civil service protections with collective bargaining rights.

They are not the same.

Civil service protections

The protections are put into state law by the Legislature, or into a local ordinance by a city council, or village or town board, said public-sector employer attorney Andrew Phillips. He is general counsel for the Wisconsin Counties Association and his Mequon firm also represents municipalities and school districts.

Currently, state employees are covered by civil service, but most local government employees don’t have it and no public school employees do, Phillips said.

Phillips said civil service protections, among other things, specify employee rights to things such as vacation and overtime; prohibit termination for reasons other than just cause; and create procedures for employees to file grievances and to have those complaints heard.

What they don’t provide, he said, is any right for employees to bargain with their employers over those issues and others. The terms are set by the employer.

Collective bargaining rights

Two sections of state law -- one for state workers and one for local government and public school employees -- give public employees the right in Wisconsin to collectively bargain.

The law issues a mandate to both the employer (the government) and the collective bargaining unit (employees represented by a union).

The two sides must "meet and confer at reasonable times, in good faith, with the intention of reaching an agreement" on wages, hours, fringe benefits and conditions of employment.

In other words, the workers -- through their union -- have a say in those areas. They do not have such a say under civil service rules.

So, what would change if Walker’s budget-repair bill is adopted by the Republican-controlled Legislature?

With an amendment approved by the Joint Finance Committee, the bill would require local governments that don’t have a civil service system to establish one, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau.

Alternatively, local governments could establish a grievance procedure that would, at minimum, address employee discipline and workplace safety, and provide for a grievance procedure for employee terminations.

Let’s return to Walker’s statement that under his changes collective bargaining remains intact.

To be sure, those rights would remain intact for the State Patrol and local police and fire department employees. They are exempt from any of the changes.

As for the rest of state, local government and public school employees, Walker’s own Feb. 11, 2011 letter to employees about his plan cited "various changes to limit collective bargaining" to the rate of base pay.

The letter also noted other changes, including limiting contracts to one year and requiring annual employee votes to retain unions.

Moreover, the bill would repeal all bargaining rights for home health care workers, University of Wisconsin System faculty and academic staff, and employees of University of Wisconsin Hospitals and Clinics.

Indeed, Walker also said in the interview with Sykes it was necessary to use his bill to strip collective bargaining rights because when it comes to money the state is broke. He added:

"What changes is the fact that no longer can our unions have a stranglehold -- not only on the state government but local government -- to force them to not alter benefit packages that are like a virus eating up our budget."

Where does that leave us?

In arguing the changes would be modest, Walker cited the civil service system and said "collective bargaining is fully in
tact." However, Walker himself has outlined how his budget-repair bill would limit the collective bargaining rights of public employees.

Indeed, it’s that provision that provoked daily demonstrations at the state Capitol and national media attention. To now say now say collective bargaining would remain "fully intact" is not just false, it’s ridiculously false.

And that means it is Pants on Fire


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...sin-gov-scott-walker-says-his-budget-repair-/

 

Again you and the author of the piece are comparing apples to oranges. It is not what caused the recession, there is no one item that can be blamed.

It is the question of how do we get out of the recession and the debt that has been run up for decades. There we can blame the unions and the management/government for allowing the run up of wage/benefit packages to get out of step with the true economy.

Our country has lost huge portions of our economic strength through the simple act of being non-competitive in a global market. Wages and benefits are a very large part of that problem, unions were a very large part of creating it. But they did not act alone, management allowed it to happen.

Now we are faced with state and federal governments that can not pay their bills without borrowing, everyone needs to take a hit to make this work. Including you and I.

 

Yea good question, while your party was shoving a health care bill down Americas throat obama sang and fiddled and all you progressives fell into line like good little mice.

As we were told by the fucking moron in the White House (I respect the office but NOT this man) the dems drove the car into the ditch and it will take time to get it out, and you really think the American people will give you back the keys?? I bet NOT.

Americans now see that you came out of the darkness what you are all about and now it is almost time for you to go back into hiding.

 

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is following the same strategy introduced by Ronald Reagan in 1980, and which unfortunately has usually been effective: cut taxes, especially for the rich, with the dishonest claim that the tax cuts will reduce unemployment and generate more tax receipts; when this does not work, say, "Oh my goodness, I guess we will just have to cut domestic spending."

Tax cuts for the rich do not lead to jobs for the unemployed. They benefit the only people the GOP really cares about. If you're not rich, you're not one of them.

 

Sorry Stumbles you fail again, according to the same politifact website in January:
http://politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2011/jan/01/look-scott-walkers-campaign-promises/

Which is EXACTLY what he is doing now.

 

George Bush was not any better-he was a real train wreck!!!

 

the government is not broke because of one political party. the federal and state governments are broke because the individual people that run them are corrupt. example.. the state of georgia pays 48 cents for a tag registration sticker i pay them 20 dollars for the sticker. that leaves 19 dollars and 50 cents per sticker. 8 months ago my tax commissioner told me they were out of stickers and didnt have the money to get more. she would not explain why. the reason she will not explain why is because the money is being stolen by her and the rest of the state employees and by the time everyone steals what they want there is none left. i personally have caught the tax commissioner attempting to steal 1200 dollars from me. caught the bitch red fucking handed, and of course because she is government law enforcement brushed it off as a disgrunteled tax payer. people need to wake up and smell the coffee, if a person is in a position that they can steal money and get away with it they will do it.

 

Who was president during those decades? Which president balanced the budget?

 

That's because you can not read and comprehend what is written.

Try this post:
https://forum.xnxx.com/showpost.php?p=2274629&postcount=7

 

Well that was certainly stupid. That post was written after President Obama got elected.

Show me one before president Obama got elected.

I remember bitching about Bush doubling the national debt and selling our economic asses to the Chiense and keeping the costs of two wars off the budget which I called lie and spend policies.

I don't remember you ever doing anything but defending Bush's policies.

 

ROLFCOPTERS!!!!:excited::excited::excited::excited:

Where does it say "I'm ending collective bargaining for all public employee unions except police and firemen (because they are way too popular) if I get elected.

If Walker had stated clearly that he intended to follow the Koch brothers hand book and national campaign to bust the public employee unions he would not have been elected and he knows that.

That's also why he and the Republicans tried to railroad this through before the residents of Wisconsin found out their governor was lying to them and continue to do so.

Just like him trying to claim collective bargaining would remain fully intact. That's just a blatant, provable lie. And a lie incidentally that is getting some press exposure; now.

 

He showed his true colors when he flatly refused a compromise that would have provided the concessions he wanted on employee contributions, but would have left collective bargaining intact.

 

That was not the question, he campaigned on a platform, he is keeping those promises.

I really don't give a rats ass what someone "reported" him to say. I am very interested in what he is actually doing, which is not what you say he is doing.

 

What is real?

The Republican freshmen in Washington and in many of our states have declared war on the free spending habits of the previous office holders. They ran their campaigns on that promise and they are now keeping the promises.

The Democrats and liberals can run all the rhetoric they can, it does not change the fact that a revolution has started, someone will win and someone will lose. I'm betting on the conservatives in particular and the American people in general.